[Vision2020] Moscow Planning and Zoning Agenda Wed 5/28
B. J. Swanson
bjswan@moscow.com
Tue, 27 May 2003 22:37:37 -0700
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Everyone,
I must again vehemently disagree with Bill London's
statements that Alturas is a "tax-supported professional
mall." We've disagreed since Alturas began in 1996 so now I
challenge Bill to put some real numbers to your claim that
"Taxpayers lost all the way around." How much, Bill?
-Remember, Eastside Marketplace was a sore-eye, in
foreclosure and 18% occupied when Alturas began.
-Remember, the tax assessed value of the Urban Renewal
District has increased about $8 million dollars since 1996.
Do you seriously believe it would have increased that much
without Alturas and the jobs it created?
-Remember, there are about 70 jobs in Alturas that pay
over $3 million dollars in salaries every year. Salaries to
people who live in Moscow, pay taxes here, spend money here.
-Remember, several of the businesses in Alturas derive
revenue solely from outside of Moscow, not recycled but NEW
money that comes into the community and stays here.
-Remember, Alturas contributed about $35,000 in tax
money to Moscow School District last year, not counting the
state payment to schools for the children of Alturas
employees (possibly another $150,000). Would you, as a
taxpayer, like to pay higher taxes to the school district if
Alturas was not here? Taxpayer subsidy by whom??
I'll be waiting at sundown with calculator in hand.....
B. J. Swanson
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Bill London
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:40 PM
To: Linda Pall; Vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow Planning and Zoning Agenda
Wed 5/28
Linda-
Sorry but I must disagree with you assessment of the
need for a day care center at the Alturas Tech Park (as you
noted in your posting about the Thursday night meeting
before the Board of Adjustment).
That park was built with Moscow taxpayer money for
one reason: to provide a home for high-tech businesses. The
goal was to keep those good jobs (especially those developed
through UI research) in Moscow.
Then Alturas was built with much money and much
fanfare. And basically it sat, with virtally all lots
unsold, and bills coming due. Then the powers that be got
the bright idea of opening the park to anyone. It has
thereby become little more than a tax-supported professional
mall, with lawyers, accountants, and other offices that
moved out of downtown.
So to bail out Alturas, the city encouraged downtown
businesses to relocate. Taxpayers lost all the way around.
And now an established day care center wants to move
to Alturas. This is not a new day care center that is
designed to take care of kids whose parents work there.
If the city decides to let this daycare center in,
any kind of business would be OK, and so Alturas would fill
up, draining further from downtown, and refocusing the park
from technology to tax-supported minimall status.
No, I don't hate children. No, I don't hate day
care centers. I just do not think there is any legitimate
reason for allowing one in our tax-supported technology
center.
I discussed the Thursday hearing with Bill Belknap
of the city planning office. Those who wish to provide
comment to the Board can email their public comment to
Belknap at bbelknap@ci.moscow.id.us. Or go to the hearing
on Thursday, 7:30pm at the council chambers.
BL
Thursday night, an appeal will be heard on a denial of
a permit for a day care center in Alturas Technology Park in
the RTO zone at 7:30 PM before the Board of Adjustment... On
the face of it, this looks like one that should have been
granted up front... day care centers are certainly related
to assisting the office workers who work in tech parks. I
just may cruise by, since it's about the 25th anniversary of
my personal association with and support of child care
centers! All the best,Linda Pall
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Curley
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:01 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow Planning and Zoning
Agenda Wed 5/28
This week's agenda includes:
1.<?fontfamily><?param ChelthmITC Bk BT>
<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>Transportation
Commission Activity Report Regarding Beltway Planning (Mark
Cook, Philip Cook)
2. Area of City Impact Subcommittee Report
3. Research, Technology, Office Zone Review--(I assume
this will be a review of the language of the section--what
types of uses are permitted and prohibited, and a discussion
of possible modifications)
4. Review and ranking of priorities.
The June 11 calendar includes FOUR public hearings on
requests for a rezone of 1.4 acres northwest of Brent Drive,
a variance and redevelopment review of a mobile home park
<?/color>located in the area of city impact at 1651
Carmichael Drive<?color><?param 0100,0100,0100>, a
preliminary plat of 23 acres at 225 Baker Street (north of A
St), and a preliminary planned unit development at 1430 S.
Main. More information is available on p. 5D of the Daily
News' Saturday (5/24) edition, and full file information is
available for review at city hall.
Mike Curley
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class=3D537540105-28052003> </SPAN>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On =
Behalf Of=20
</B>Bill London<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:40 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Linda Pall; Vision2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Moscow =
Planning and=20
Zoning Agenda Wed 5/28<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1>Linda-</FONT></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> Sorry but =
I must=20
disagree with you assessment of the need for a day care center at =
the=20
Alturas Tech Park (as you noted in your posting about the Thursday =
night=20
meeting before the Board of Adjustment).</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> That park was built =
with Moscow=20
taxpayer money for one reason: to provide a home for high-tech=20
businesses. The goal was to keep those good jobs (especially =
those=20
developed through UI research) in Moscow.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> Then Alturas was =
built with much=20
money and much fanfare. And basically it sat, with virtally =
all lots=20
unsold, and bills coming due. Then the powers that be got the =
bright=20
idea of opening the park to anyone. It has thereby become =
little more=20
than a tax-supported professional mall, with lawyers, accountants, =
and other=20
offices that moved out of downtown.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1> So to bail out Alturas, the city =
encouraged=20
downtown businesses to relocate. Taxpayers lost all the way=20
around.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1> =20
And now an established day care center wants to move to =
Alturas. This=20
is not a new day care center that is designed to take care of kids =
whose=20
parents work there.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1> If the city decides to let this daycare =
center=20
in, any kind of business would be OK, and so Alturas would fill up, =
draining=20
further from downtown, and refocusing the park from technology to=20
tax-supported minimall status.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1> No, I don't hate children. No, I =
don't hate=20
day care centers. I just do not think there is any legitimate =
reason=20
for allowing one in our tax-supported technology =
center.</FONT></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> I =
discussed the=20
Thursday hearing with Bill Belknap of the city planning =
office. Those=20
who wish to provide comment to the Board can email their public =
comment to=20
Belknap at bbelknap@ci.moscow.id.us. Or go to the hearing on =
Thursday,=20
7:30pm at the council chambers.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1>BL</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
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size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1>Thursday=20
night, an appeal will be heard on a denial of a permit for a day =
care center=20
in Alturas Technology Park in the RTO zone at 7:30 PM before the =
Board of=20
Adjustment... On the face of it, this looks like one that should =
have been=20
granted up front... day care centers are certainly related to =
assisting the=20
office workers who work in tech parks. I just may cruise by, since =
it's=20
about the 25th anniversary of my personal association with and =
support of=20
child care centers!</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1>All=20
the best,</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>Linda=20
Pall</FONT></FONT> =20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcurley@turbonet.com =
href=3D"mailto:curley@turbonet.com">Mike=20
Curley</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
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href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 27, 2003 =
11:01=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
Moscow Planning=20
and Zoning Agenda Wed 5/28</DIV> This week's agenda includes: =
<P>1.<?fontfamily><?param ChelthmITC Bk BT>=20
<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>Transportation =
Commission=20
Activity Report Regarding Beltway Planning (Mark Cook, Philip =
Cook) <BR>2.=20
Area of City Impact Subcommittee Report <BR>3. Research, =
Technology,=20
Office Zone Review--(I assume this will be a review of the =
language of the=20
section--what types of uses are permitted and prohibited, and a =
discussion=20
of possible modifications) <BR>4. Review and ranking of =
priorities.=20
<P>The June 11 calendar includes FOUR public hearings on requests =
for a=20
rezone of 1.4 acres northwest of Brent Drive, a variance and =
redevelopment=20
review of a mobile home park <?/color>located in the area of =
city=20
impact at 1651 Carmichael Drive<?color><?param=20
0100,0100,0100>, a preliminary plat of 23 acres at 225 Baker =
Street=20
(north of A St), and a preliminary planned unit development at =
1430 S.=20
Main. More information is available on p. 5D of the Daily News' =
Saturday=20
(5/24) edition, and full file information is available for review =
at city=20
hall.=20
<P>Mike Curley=20
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