[Vision2020] anti-Semitism

Fri, 23 May 2003 09:51:13 -0700

I was just reading an article about the Colonial golf tournament, the one 
featuring Annika Sorenstam, and found this quote from David Feherty, a golf 
commentator regarding her being in the field.  "I don't care whether they're 
female or black.  I don't even care if they're Presbyterian."  Would this be 
offensive to anyone?  Or just humorous?                                      

           Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: "Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com>
>To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anti-Semitism
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:35:21 -0700
>
>Re:  Douglas Wilson on Douglas Stambler, etc.
>
>When DW called DS unstable and dangerous, it made my morning.  How ironic!
>
>When a person uses ethnic humor, many of those who have studied the subject
>claim that humor is a way of expressing one's real opinion without the risk
>of being held to account the sentiments expressed.
>
>In my experience many of those who used ethnic humor, when pressed admitted
>to at least some negative, possibly ambivalent feeling toward the group 
>they
>were satirizing.
>
>I cannot claim that this is always the case.  Humans are not always
>predictable and their views may change from one hour to the next.
>
>My personal interpretation is that ethnic humor generally masks some
>prejudice and expresses some unspoken stereotyping that fails to recognize
>individual differences.  In this assessment I could easily be wrong.  In my
>experience I have found that denials of at least some prejudices are belied
>sometimes by other evidence that comes forth at inconvenient times.  In the
>present case, the jury may still be out.
>
>Wayne Fox.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Douglas" <dougwils@moscow.com>
>To: <>
>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:13 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] anti-Semitism
>
>
> > Morning, visionaries,
> >
> > We have to be careful lest a love-fest break out here, but I would like 
>to
> > thank Rose for coveting my tag line, and for saying publicly that in her
> > view I am not an anti-Semite. She says also that if I were to display 
>any
> > of those tendencies she would hop on it like a fly on sugar. Let me say
> > here that if I were to do any such thing, I cordially invite her to do 
>so
> > with enthusiasm.
> >
> > Thomas Bartnick believes that I have reviled Douglas Stambler, which I
> > don't think is the case. Whatever the reason, Stambler is unbalanced, 
>and
> > in certain settings, he is dangerous. His current weapon of choice is
> > slander, which he is spreading around the country at the speed of light.
> > People here in Moscow know him and can discount what he is doing, but on
> > the other side of the country, lies can be more credulously believed.
>Since
> > Stambler's choice of weapons is words, we answer with words. But please
> > note, our use of polemics with regard to him is parry, not thrust. We 
>are
> > not trying to "get" him; we are simply defending ourselves.
> >
> > One of the reasons we need to do so is that others who have more 
>apparent
> > credibility (at least right now) have taken up the same kind of smears 
>and
> > tactics for spreading the smears (even though they should know better,
> > Wayne). The sooner everybody sees this the better. You cannot act just
>like
> > Stambler and then not be associated with him. Wayne has joined a food
>fight
> > that was already in progress, and wants to keep his dignity by throwing
> > only green jello while Stambler, clearly an unbalanced man, has opted 
>for
> > throwing the meat loaf and mashed potatoes. As far as I am concerned,
>Wayne
> > can explain the nuances of his position to the junior high principal, 
>who
> > is just outside in the hall.
> >
> > Wayne also says, "I didn't realize that denigrating ethnic humor was 
>back
> > in style. How naive of me." In my post yesterday, when I defined a joke 
>as
> > an entertainment for lesser-evolved primates, I forgot to mention that
> > "jokes" are also something of an elementary puzzle, and that a certain
> > response is called for from the hearer. This response is something that
> > primitives used to call "getting it."
> >
> > One last thing. Although it is always great fun for liberals to play the
> > race card, in this instance, you need to look both ways before you cross
> > that street. I wonder how many racially-mixed families attend Christ
> > Church? Check it out before you make accusations. We have all kinds --
> > Scots, Irish, English, you name it.
> >
> > Official notice to humorless logicians: the penultimate paragraph of 
>this
> > post was a joke.
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Douglas Wilson
> >
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