[Vision2020] Mentally Ill

Luke lukenieuwsma@softhome.net
Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:14:42 -0700


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Mr. Merril:
    We could let it die if Stambler would let it die. But he won't, and =
from the bizarre nature of his writings, as well as his actions here in =
town, it is quite obvious that some screws are slightly loose up top. =
It's not gossip to say what everyone knows already, and pointing out a =
communal threat is not the thing as slandering your personal enemies.
Luke
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Troy Merrill=20
  To: Donovan Arnold ; stopchristchurch@yahoo.com ; =
vision2020@moscow.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mentally Ill


  Has this list desended to the level of a gossip circle?  Public =
speculation about the mental health of someone is as inappropriate as =
posting inflamatory claims.  Also from my loose tally there are less 10 =
people who care about this.  Let it die.

  Troy Merrill

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Donovan Arnold=20
    To: stopchristchurch@yahoo.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:39 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mentally Ill


    You know folks,

    At first, I despised Stambler. Now I just feel sorry for him. It is =
clear he is mentally ill and needs help. He has no friends, no family, =
and no ability to get hired, much less maintain a job. His statements =
that he is "the smartest guy around" a future "President of the United =
States" a "Prophet" and a "Sheer" is only part of the evidence of his =
mental delusions of self grandeur. It is sad that someone has to believe =
this about themselves to think they are worth something.

    Making such statements about oneself in a public forum is a sure =
sign of mental disorder. I think Douglas needs serious professional =
help. Is there anyone on Vision2020 that knows how Douglas can use =
government services to give him the help that he needs? I think this =
would be of better use then giving him a ticket to Connecticut where he =
will continue to damage himself and others with mental delusions and =
false statements about others.

    I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart liberal here, but =
really, if someone had a physical ailment, would we ignore and mistreat =
them? So what is the difference between an outside disability and =
internal one? A brain can be just as dysfunctional as an outside =
appendage. Clearly Douglas does not think he is mentally ill. However, =
how many people do that are?

    Donovan J Arnold



    >From: Douglas Stambler=20
    >To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
    >Subject: [Vision2020] Regarding The Lawsuits Against Christ Church=20
    >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT)=20
    >=20
    >I kindly ask the person who asked me to help them with their =
lawsuit against Christ Church to come forward -in the name of Christ- =
and tell the forum that I am not making up these charges. I will not =
violate the confidence you placed in me when you e-mailed me and asked =
me to help you, but I refuse to take this forum's abuse about me making =
things up. Please come forward and air your lawsuit out in public.=20
    >=20
    >Thank you.=20
    >=20
    >In Christ,=20
    >Dogulas Stambler=20
    >=20
    >=20
    >---------------------------------=20
    >Do you Yahoo!?=20
    >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mr. Merril:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We could let it die =
if Stambler=20
would let it die. But he won't, and from the bizarre nature of his =
writings, as=20
well as his actions here in town, it is quite obvious that some screws =
are=20
slightly loose up top. It's not gossip to say what everyone knows =
already, and=20
pointing out a communal threat is not the thing as slandering your =
personal=20
enemies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Luke</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dtroy1@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:troy1@moscow.com">Troy =
Merrill</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddonovanarnold@hotmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dstopchristchurch@yahoo.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:stopchristchurch@yahoo.com">stopchristchurch@yahoo.com</A>=
 ; <A=20
  title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 25, 2003 =
6:53=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Mentally=20
  Ill</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Has this list desended to the level =
of a gossip=20
  circle?&nbsp; Public speculation about the mental health of someone is =
as=20
  inappropriate as posting inflamatory claims.&nbsp; Also from my loose =
tally=20
  there are less 10 people who care about this.&nbsp; Let it =
die.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Troy Merrill</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Ddonovanarnold@hotmail.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dstopchristchurch@yahoo.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:stopchristchurch@yahoo.com">stopchristchurch@yahoo.com</A>=
 ; <A=20
    title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> =
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 25, =
2003 5:39=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Mentally=20
    Ill</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P>You know folks,</P>
    <P>At first, I despised Stambler. Now I just feel sorry for him. It =
is clear=20
    he is mentally ill and needs help. He has no friends, no family, and =
no=20
    ability to get hired, much less maintain a job. His statements that =
he is=20
    "the smartest guy around" a future "President of the United States" =
a=20
    "Prophet" and a "Sheer" is only part of the evidence of his mental =
delusions=20
    of self grandeur. It is sad that someone has to believe this about=20
    themselves to think they are worth something.</P></DIV>
    <P>Making such statements about oneself in a public forum is a sure =
sign of=20
    mental disorder. I think Douglas needs serious professional help. Is =
there=20
    anyone&nbsp;on Vision2020 that knows how Douglas can use government =
services=20
    to give him the help that he needs? I think this would be of better =
use then=20
    giving him a ticket to Connecticut&nbsp;where he will continue to =
damage=20
    himself and others with mental delusions and false statements about=20
    others.</P>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <P>I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart liberal here, but =
really, if=20
    someone had a physical ailment, would we ignore and mistreat them? =
So what=20
    is the difference between an outside disability and internal one? A =
brain=20
    can be just as dysfunctional as an outside appendage. Clearly=20
    Douglas&nbsp;does not think he is mentally ill. However, how many =
people do=20
    that are?</P>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Douglas Stambler <STOPCHRISTCHURCH@YAHOO.COM>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Vision2020] Regarding The Lawsuits Against =
Christ=20
    Church=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT)=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;I kindly ask the person who asked me to help them =
with their=20
    lawsuit against Christ Church to come forward -in the name of =
Christ- and=20
    tell the forum that I am not making up these charges. I will not =
violate the=20
    confidence you placed in me when you e-mailed me and asked me to =
help you,=20
    but I refuse to take this forum's abuse about me making things up. =
Please=20
    come forward and air your lawsuit out in public.=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;Thank you.=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;In Christ,=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;Dogulas Stambler=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;---------------------------------=20
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>&gt;Do you Yahoo!?=20
    <DIV></DIV>
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