[Vision2020] RE: [Vision2020]Idaho Constitution/was re: liquor liability

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:54:33 -0800


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<P>Dale, </P>
<P>I think we left "Sillytown" in our rear-view mirror several miles ago, and are heading to "Incredibly Bad Strawmanargumentville" at break-neck speed.</P>
<P>You have apparently abandoned your argument that public education is unconstitutional, and are now saying that the state shouldn't engage in this enterprise.&nbsp; Are you claiming that it's immoral (though constitutional) for the state to establish and fund public education?&nbsp; It seems to me that's your argument, since you're making some kind of comparison to the Holocaust and genocide, which, quite frankly, I find breathtaking.</P>
<P>Since it seems clear that soon enough we will be engaging in the equally interminable "What is right?&nbsp; And how would a relatavist know anyway?" debate, how about we drop it and all hit ourselves on our heads with our shoes? We'll end up at the same place either way.</P>
<P>I promise to stop now, or at least go offline.</P>
<P>Sunil<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Dale Courtney" <DALE@COURTNEYS.US>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:19:20 -0800 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Sigh... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Let's try this again. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Let's say that the United States were to pass an amendment to the Federal 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Constitution saying that it was lawful to murder all Jews in the USA. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Would, by passing such a law with a majority vote, make the murdering of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;millions of Jews legal? Would it make it lawful? Would it make it right? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Dale 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;-----Original Message----- 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Sunil Ramalingam [mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com] 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 12:15 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: dale@courtneys.us 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Dale, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;You're not saying this is analagous, are you? But if you really want to go 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;there, then if Idaho were to pass legislation similar to that passed by the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Nazis (And did they pass such legislation? Or did they just start killing 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Jews?), it would run afoul of the federal constitution. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Sunil 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: "Dale Courtney" 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: "'Sunil Ramalingam'" 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:46:17 -0800 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sunil, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Let's back off from the specific and look at the general: If the State 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;passes a law, does that make it lawful? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;For example: it was legal in Germany under Hitler to murder the Jews. The 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;State said that was legal, and the actions were taken. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;By passing a law, making the murdering of millions of Jews legal, was the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;State right? Even if the majority voted for it? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Dale Courtney 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Moscow, Idaho 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-----Original Message----- 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 11:41 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: vision2020@moscow.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Anything? You're not saying I claimed that the state can do anything, are 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;you? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;No, the state constitution can't conflict with the United States 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Constitution. But certainly Idaho can establish public schools and fund 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;them through taxes. You're not arguing that such a conflict exists, I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;assume, since you take the position that nothing in the U.S. Constitution 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;permits the feds from getting into the education business (I hope I am not 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;mistating your position). 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sunil 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: "Dale Courtney" 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] re: liquor liability 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:52:47 -0800 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Sunil, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;You wrote: "Since the Idaho Constitution calls for the establishment and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;funding of such schools, the state is acting within its lawful authority 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;doing so." 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Are you saying that anything the Idaho Constitution establishes is 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;lawful? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;You answer my question and I'll answer yours. :-) 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Dale 
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