[Vision2020] Powell's speech

Thomas Hansen tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu
Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:48:47 -0800


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The incident at the Gulf of Tonkin was an attempt by President Johnson =
to
gain public support for a war in Vietnam.  In 1949 the French advised
President Hoover that the North Vietnamese (and Ho Chi Minh in =
particular)
were Communist.  Remember, this was shortly after the Soviet Union had
obtained "the bomb".  There was a major fear and hate for anyone and
anything Communist.  The French played up to that for everything it was
worth.  So, when Ho Chi Minh approached President Hoover for US support =
in
developing North Vietnamese independence (from French Indochina), =
Hoover
said "No".  So, guess where Ho Chi Minh's next stop was for support?  =
The
Soviet Union and China?  Bingo.
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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

-----Original Message-----
From: Sunil Ramalingam [mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:39 PM
To: thansen@moscow.com; carlwestberg846@hotmail.com; WMSteed@aol.com;
rforce@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Powell's speech



Was that the French lying about what happened or didn't happen in the =
Tonkin
Gulf?  Did they hide the air campaign against Cambodia?

Sorry, I don't buy the theory that we were an innocent, wide-eyed state =
that
got bamboozled by the French into involvement in Vietnam.  Our =
government
knew what it was doing. =20

Sunil



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<DIV><SPAN class=195404222-05022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The 
incident at the Gulf of Tonkin was an attempt by President Johnson to gain 
public support for a war in Vietnam.&nbsp; In 1949 the French advised President 
Hoover that the North Vietnamese (and Ho Chi Minh in particular) were 
Communist.&nbsp; Remember, this was shortly after the Soviet Union had obtained 
"the bomb".&nbsp; There was a major fear and hate for anyone and anything 
Communist.&nbsp; The French played up to that for everything it was worth.&nbsp; 
So, when Ho Chi Minh approached President Hoover for US support in developing 
North Vietnamese independence (from French Indochina), Hoover said "No".&nbsp; 
So, guess where Ho Chi Minh's next stop was for support?&nbsp; The Soviet Union 
and China?&nbsp; Bingo.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195404222-05022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195404222-05022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tom 
Hansen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195404222-05022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Moscow, Idaho</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sunil Ramalingam 
  [mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 05, 
  2003 2:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B> thansen@moscow.com; carlwestberg846@hotmail.com; 
  WMSteed@aol.com; rforce@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
  Re: [Vision2020] Powell's speech<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P>Was that the French lying about what happened or didn't happen in the 
  Tonkin Gulf?&nbsp; Did they hide the air campaign against Cambodia?</P>
  <P>Sorry, I don't buy the theory that we were an innocent, wide-eyed state 
  that got bamboozled by the French into involvement in Vietnam.&nbsp; Our 
  government knew what it was doing.&nbsp; </P>
  <P>Sunil<BR><BR></P></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: thansen@moscow.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "Carl Westberg" <CARLWESTBERG846@HOTMAIL.COM>, 
  WMSteed@aol.com, rforce@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Powell's speech 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:36:24 GMT 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Fantastic quote!! I seriously believe that it is time for the 
  United States to 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;put an end to the affair we have had with France since 
  Lafayette. They still 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;owe us billions from WW2, not to mention the lives lost in 
  Vietnam because of 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;the French lies we believed in 1949. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Tom Hansen 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Moscow, Idaho 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; If (IF?) Bush decides to go to war without the support of 
  France, I guess 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; we'll have to suck it up. I wish I could take credit for 
  this quote, but I 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; just heard it from someone else. Going to war without 
  France is like going 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; hunting without an accordion. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Carl Westberg Jr. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: WMSteed@aol.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: rforce@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Powell's speech 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:50:18 EST 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;In a message dated 2/5/03 1:41:55 PM, 
  rforce@moscow.com writes: 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;&lt; "With the choice between military 
  intervention and 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;an inspections regime that is inadequate for lack of 
  cooperation on Iraq's 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;part, we must choose to strengthen decisively the 
  means of inspection," 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;said 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;France's Foreign Minister Dominque De Villepin. "Let 
  us double or triple 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;number of inspectors and open up more regional 
  offices." &gt;&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;That ought to do it. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Walter Steed 
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