[Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Saundra Lund
sslund@adelphia.net
Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:44:58 -0800
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Dale,
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Like Rose, I didn't attend the . . . gathering. Nor was I able to =
attend
the alternative gathering. But, I *am* interested in viewing the video
(assuming it's unedited) -- please tell me how I would go about doing =
that
(assuming the invitation to view the video isn't restricted just to =
Rose).
=20
Whether the hecklers were Christ Church members or not, Rose's point is
still valid, perhaps even *more* valid if the hecklers weren't =
affiliated
with Christ Church/Logos/NSA: how is it a crowd (250-300, yourself =
included
since you were apparently there) sat there and did virtually nothing =
while
Ms. Drollinger was "escorted" from the meeting??? If the hecklers =
weren't,
in fact, affiliated with Christ Church/Logos/NSA, then why the HECK =
didn't
those in charge of the meeting attempt to STOP the reprehensible =
behavior???
=20
And, why did Mr. Wilson try to *prevent* Ms. Drollinger from speaking?
Personally, I find the reported assertion that there's no
corporate/government (LOL)/institutional connection between Christ =
Church &
Logos . . . lame as a very brief perusal of the primary Web sites will
quickly prove. I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last =
night!
=20
Additionally, I'm curious about the presence of at least one uniformed
Moscow Police Department officer at the . . . gathering. Why did he do
nothing when Ms. Drollinger was "escorted" from the meeting? Unwanted
aggressive physical contact in the presence of MPD is OK??? What was =
the
purpose of MPD presence at the . . . gathering? How did that presence =
come
about?
=20
<sigh>
=20
I guess I shouldn't say much until I get a chance to view the video, so
please tell me how I (and anyone else interested in viewing it is =
welcome to
join me) would go about seeing it.
=20
BTW, perhaps I'm nit-picking here, but . . . Dale, why do you repeatedly
refer to Ms. Drollinger as "Mrs. Stoneman"? It seems hurtful and just =
plain
wrong to continue to use her married name when she divorced her =
convicted
abuser several years ago (if I correctly read the info, she divorced =
that
man in 1998 and didn't come to Whitman County until 1999). She refers =
to
herself with the surname 'Drollinger' now, which is apparently her legal
name, so why show disrespect by referring to her with the surname of her
convicted abuser?
=20
=20
Thanks,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to =
do
nothing.
-Edmund Burke=20
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] =
On
Behalf Of Dale Courtney
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:48 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Rose,
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Hate to burst your bubble; but those people who were shouting were not
Christ Church members. It was all video taped. One man in the =
back-center of
the auditorium shouted for her to "sit down and shut up". Mrs. Stoneman
asked "are you a Christ Church member" and he yelled "no!" Then that =
same
man got up, walked down to the front, and escorted her out. He was an =
older
gentleman; unlikely he is a bouncer (though he may have been one 40 =
years
ago).=20
=20
When she further said "the public wants to know!", another non-CC man =
from
the middle left said "we are the public! Sit down and shut up!" =20
=20
Feel free to verify this with anyone who was there -- or you can check =
the
video.
=20
What Mrs. Stoneman needs is our prayers, support, and sympathy. She's =
been
thru hell (read thru all the articles over at http://www.valuachild.com/ =
to
see what she and her children have been thru).=20
=20
And, yes, I wish you had been there too. It would have been nice to meet =
you
and Don at last.
=20
Best,
Dale
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: DonaldH675@aol.com=20
To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 14:30
Subject: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Dear Visionaries,
=20
Although I sent one of the earliest "Thanks but no thanks" posts to =
Doug's
invitation to attend his "Town Meeting," I am now deeply sorry I didn't =
make
the effort. (and a giant penance it would have been.) to attend. Others =
had
told me that a woman was escorted out of the meeting amid shouts of =
"Shut Up
and "Sit Down" Thanks to Ruth's email I have a clearer sense of the
events.
=20
Anyone who sat silently with their ass glued to their seat while the
shouting and escorting out was taking place shouldn't shrink, in my =
opinion,
from placing their collective bums on folding chairs in the Logos gym =
every
Sunday morning while Doug channels his weekly sermon from R.L. Dabney. =
(Be
sure to bring your wallets and pocket books for the offering.) In your
silent assent you were cooperating/supporting the racist, sexist,
homophobic, patriarchal agenda of Christ Church (pastor and =
communicants),
or even more pathetically, falling prey to Doug's purported charisma. =
Shame
to you! You were handed a classic example of how dissent is silenced =
and
yet, there you sat, either unwilling or unable to protest - failing to =
get
up and walk out yourself. It is my hope that none of you excuse your
inaction under the ruse of not knowing how to respond to an awkward =
social
situation, or wanting to avoid public embarrassment. That is pure =
baloney.
Spineless is the kindest descriptions that comes to my mind - closely
followed by the term limousine liberal. And God knows, there have =
always
been a plethora of those folks in university towns. YIKES!!!=20
=20
Rose Huskey
=20
And what's with the bouncer stuff - Doug traveling with his private =
security
squad these days? Talk about delusional grandiosity. I'll be on the =
look
for the stretch limo next.
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>Dale,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>Like Rose, =
I didn't attend the . .=20
. gathering. Nor was I able to attend the alternative =
gathering. =20
But, I *am* interested in viewing the video (assuming it's unedited) -- =
please=20
tell me how I would go about doing that (assuming the invitation to view =
the=20
video isn't restricted just to Rose).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>Whether the hecklers were Christ =
Church=20
members or not, Rose's point is still valid, perhaps even *more* valid =
if the=20
hecklers weren't affiliated with Christ Church/Logos/NSA: how =
is it a crowd (250-300, yourself included since you were=20
apparently there) sat there and did virtually =
nothing while Ms.=20
Drollinger was "escorted" from the meeting??? If the hecklers =
weren't, in=20
fact, affiliated with Christ Church/Logos/NSA, then why the HECK =
didn't=20
those in charge of the meeting attempt to STOP the reprehensible=20
behavior???</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>And, why did Mr. Wilson try to =
*prevent* Ms.=20
Drollinger from speaking? Personally, I find the reported =
assertion=20
that there's no corporate/government (LOL)/institutional connection =
between=20
Christ Church & Logos . . . lame as a very brief perusal of the =
primary Web=20
sites will quickly prove. I may have been born at night, but I =
wasn't born=20
last night!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>Additionally, I'm curious about =
the presence=20
of at least one uniformed Moscow Police Department officer at the . . .=20
gathering. Why did he do nothing when Ms. Drollinger was =
"escorted" from=20
the meeting? Unwanted aggressive physical contact in the =
presence=20
of MPD is OK??? What was the purpose of MPD presence at =
the . .=20
. gathering? How did that presence come about?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003><sigh></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>I guess I shouldn't say much =
until I=20
get a chance to view the video, so please tell me how I (and anyone =
else=20
interested in viewing it is welcome to join me) would go about seeing=20
it.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>BTW, perhaps I'm nit-picking here, =
but . . .=20
Dale, why do you repeatedly refer to Ms. Drollinger as "Mrs. =
Stoneman"? It=20
seems hurtful and just plain wrong to continue to use her married name =
when she=20
divorced her convicted abuser several years ago (if I correctly read the =
info,=20
she divorced that man in 1998 and didn't come to Whitman County until=20
1999). She refers to herself with the surname 'Drollinger' now, =
which is=20
apparently her legal name, so why show disrespect by referring =
to=20
her with the surname of her convicted abuser?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003>Thanks,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D750401400-14122003></SPAN>Saundra<SPAN=20
class=3D750401400-14122003> Lund</SPAN><BR>Moscow, ID<BR><BR>The only =
thing=20
necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do =
nothing.<BR>-Edmund=20
Burke </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Dale Courtney<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:48=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Vision2020]=20
Apathetic Liberals<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Rose,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Hate to burst your =
bubble; but those=20
people who were shouting were <U>not</U> Christ Church members. It was =
all=20
video taped. One man in the back-center of the auditorium shouted =
for her=20
to "sit down and shut up". Mrs. Stoneman asked "are you a Christ =
Church=20
member" and he yelled "no!" Then that same man got =
up, walked down=20
to the front, and escorted her out. He was an older gentleman; =
unlikely=20
he is a bouncer (though he may have been one 40 years ago). =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>When she =
further said "the=20
public wants to know!", another non-CC man from the middle left said =
"we are=20
the public! Sit down and shut up!" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Feel free to verify this =
with anyone=20
who was there -- or you can check the video.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>What Mrs. Stoneman needs =
is our=20
prayers, support, and sympathy. She's been thru hell (read thru all =
the=20
articles over at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.valuachild.com/">http://www.valuachild.com/</A> t=
o see=20
what she and her children have been thru). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>And, yes, I wish you had =
been there=20
too. It would have been nice to meet you and Don at last.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Dale</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DDonaldH675@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, =
2003=20
14:30</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
Apathetic=20
Liberals</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Dear Visionaries,</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Although I sent one of the earliest “Thanks but no =
thanks” posts to=20
Doug’s invitation to attend his “Town Meeting,” I =
am now deeply sorry I=20
didn’t make the effort. (and a giant penance it would have =
been.) to=20
attend.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Others had =
told me that=20
a woman was escorted out of the meeting amid shouts of “Shut =
Up and “Sit=20
Down” <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thanks to =
Ruth’s email=20
<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have a clearer =
sense of the=20
events.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Anyone who sat silently with their ass glued to their seat =
while the=20
shouting and escorting out was taking place shouldn’t shrink, =
in my opinion,=20
from placing their collective bums on folding chairs in the Logos =
gym every=20
Sunday morning while Doug channels his weekly sermon from R.L. =
Dabney.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Be sure to bring your =
wallets and=20
pocket books for the offering.) In your silent assent you were=20
cooperating/supporting the racist, sexist, homophobic, patriarchal =
agenda of=20
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Christ</st1:PlaceName> =
<st1:PlaceType>Church=20
(pastor and communicants)</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, or even more=20
pathetically, falling prey to Doug’s purported charisma. Shame =
to you!<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You were handed a classic =
example of=20
how dissent is silenced and yet, there you sat, either unwilling or =
unable=20
to protest – failing to get up and walk out yourself.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is my hope that none of =
you=20
excuse your inaction under the ruse of not knowing how to respond to =
an=20
awkward social situation, or wanting to avoid public=20
embarrassment.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> That is pure=20
baloney</SPAN>.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Spineless is=20
the kindest descriptions that comes to my mind – closely =
followed by the=20
term limousine liberal.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And God knows, there have =
always been=20
a plethora of those folks in university towns. YIKES!!! </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Rose Huskey</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>And what’s with the bouncer stuff – Doug =
traveling with his private=20
security squad these days?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Talk=20
about delusional grandiosity.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>I’ll be on the look for the stretch limo=20
next.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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