[Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Tom Hansen
thansen@moscow.com
Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:28:30 -0800
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I am not here to debate the various versions of what had (or had not) =
occurred at Doug WIlson's "Townhall" meeting on Thursday. If you wish =
to familiarize yourself with the S-R version, they (Spokesman Review) =
maintains an online archive of their newspaper.
Tom Hansen
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Dale Courtney
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:23 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Tom,
I'm curious -- how did my version of the story differ with the =
Spokesman Review? I don't take that paper.=20
Best,
Dale
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Hansen=20
To: Dale Courtney ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 16:29
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
I assume that the Dougster will be demanding a retraction from the =
Spokesman Review then, since your version differs considerably from =
theres, Mr. Courtney.
Tom Hansen
Just another liberal elitist
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Dale Courtney
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:48 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Rose,
Hate to burst your bubble; but those people who were shouting were =
not Christ Church members. It was all video taped. One man in the =
back-center of the auditorium shouted for her to "sit down and shut up". =
Mrs. Stoneman asked "are you a Christ Church member" and he yelled "no!" =
Then that same man got up, walked down to the front, and escorted her =
out. He was an older gentleman; unlikely he is a bouncer (though he may =
have been one 40 years ago).=20
When she further said "the public wants to know!", another non-CC =
man from the middle left said "we are the public! Sit down and shut up!" =
=20
Feel free to verify this with anyone who was there -- or you can =
check the video.
What Mrs. Stoneman needs is our prayers, support, and sympathy. =
She's been thru hell (read thru all the articles over at =
http://www.valuachild.com/ to see what she and her children have been =
thru).=20
And, yes, I wish you had been there too. It would have been nice =
to meet you and Don at last.
Best,
Dale
----- Original Message -----=20
From: DonaldH675@aol.com=20
To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 14:30
Subject: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals
Dear Visionaries,
=20
Although I sent one of the earliest =E2=80=9CThanks but no =
thanks=E2=80=9D posts to Doug=E2=80=99s invitation to attend his =
=E2=80=9CTown Meeting,=E2=80=9D I am now deeply sorry I didn=E2=80=99t =
make the effort. (and a giant penance it would have been.) to attend. =
Others had told me that a woman was escorted out of the meeting amid =
shouts of =E2=80=9CShut Up and =E2=80=9CSit Down=E2=80=9D Thanks to =
Ruth=E2=80=99s email I have a clearer sense of the events.
=20
Anyone who sat silently with their ass glued to their seat while =
the shouting and escorting out was taking place shouldn=E2=80=99t =
shrink, in my opinion, from placing their collective bums on folding =
chairs in the Logos gym every Sunday morning while Doug channels his =
weekly sermon from R.L. Dabney. (Be sure to bring your wallets and =
pocket books for the offering.) In your silent assent you were =
cooperating/supporting the racist, sexist, homophobic, patriarchal =
agenda of Christ Church (pastor and communicants), or even more =
pathetically, falling prey to Doug=E2=80=99s purported charisma. Shame =
to you! You were handed a classic example of how dissent is silenced =
and yet, there you sat, either unwilling or unable to protest =E2=80=93 =
failing to get up and walk out yourself. It is my hope that none of you =
excuse your inaction under the ruse of not knowing how to respond to an =
awkward social situation, or wanting to avoid public embarrassment. That =
is pure baloney. Spineless is the kindest descriptions that comes to my =
mind =E2=80=93 closely followed by the term limousine liberal. And God =
knows, there have always been a plethora of those folks in university =
towns. YIKES!!!=20
=20
Rose Huskey
=20
And what=E2=80=99s with the bouncer stuff =E2=80=93 Doug =
traveling with his private security squad these days? Talk about =
delusional grandiosity. I=E2=80=99ll be on the look for the stretch =
limo next.
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D870312614-14122003>I am not here to debate the =
various versions=20
of what had (or had not) occurred at Doug WIlson's "Townhall" meeting on =
Thursday. If you wish to familiarize yourself with the S-R =
version, they=20
(Spokesman Review) maintains an online archive of their =
newspaper.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D870312614-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D870312614-14122003>Tom Hansen</SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Dale Courtney<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:23=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Vision2020]=20
Apathetic Liberals<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>I'm curious -- how did my =
version of=20
the story differ with the Spokesman Review? I don't take that paper.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Best,<BR>Dale</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dthansen@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom =
Hansen</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddmcourtn@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dmcourtn@moscow.com">Dale Courtney</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, =
2003=20
16:29</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] =
Apathetic=20
Liberals</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D392032700-14122003>I assume that the Dougster =
will be=20
demanding a retraction from the Spokesman Review then, since your =
version=20
differs considerably from theres, Mr. Courtney.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D392032700-14122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D392032700-14122003>Tom Hansen</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D392032700-14122003>Just another liberal=20
elitist</SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com">vision2020-admin@moscow.com</=
A>=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dale=20
Courtney<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:48 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR><B>Sub=
ject:</B>=20
Re: [Vision2020] Apathetic Liberals<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Rose,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Hate to burst your =
bubble; but=20
those people who were shouting were <U>not</U> Christ Church =
members. It=20
was all video taped. One man in the back-center of the=20
auditorium shouted for her to "sit down and shut up". Mrs. =
Stoneman=20
asked "are you a Christ Church member" and he yelled "no!" Then =
that same=20
man got up, walked down to the front, and escorted =
her out.=20
He was an older gentleman; unlikely he is a bouncer (though he may =
have=20
been one 40 years ago). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>When she =
further said "the=20
public wants to know!", another non-CC man from the middle left =
said "we=20
are the public! Sit down and shut up!" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Feel free to verify =
this with=20
anyone who was there -- or you can check the video.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>What Mrs. Stoneman =
needs is our=20
prayers, support, and sympathy. She's been thru hell (read thru =
all the=20
articles over at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.valuachild.com/">http://www.valuachild.com/</A> t=
o=20
see what she and her children have been thru). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>And, yes, I wish you =
had been=20
there too. It would have been nice to meet you and Don at=20
last.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Dale</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DDonaldH675@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December =
13, 2003=20
14:30</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
Apathetic=20
Liberals</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Dear Visionaries,</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Although I sent one of the =
earliest=20
=E2=80=9CThanks but no thanks=E2=80=9D posts to Doug=E2=80=99s =
invitation to attend his =E2=80=9CTown=20
Meeting,=E2=80=9D I am now deeply sorry I didn=E2=80=99t make =
the effort. (and a giant=20
penance it would have been.) to attend.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Others had told me =
that a woman=20
was escorted out of the meeting amid shouts of =E2=80=9CShut Up =
and =E2=80=9CSit Down=E2=80=9D=20
<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thanks to =
Ruth=E2=80=99s email=20
<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have a clearer =
sense of=20
the events.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Anyone who sat silently with =
their ass=20
glued to their seat while the shouting and escorting out was =
taking=20
place shouldn=E2=80=99t shrink, in my opinion, from placing =
their collective=20
bums on folding chairs in the Logos gym every Sunday morning =
while Doug=20
channels his weekly sermon from R.L. Dabney.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Be sure to bring your =
wallets=20
and pocket books for the offering.) In your silent assent you =
were=20
cooperating/supporting the racist, sexist, homophobic, =
patriarchal=20
agenda of <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Christ</st1:PlaceName>=20
<st1:PlaceType>Church (pastor and=20
communicants)</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, or even more =
pathetically,=20
falling prey to Doug=E2=80=99s purported charisma. Shame to =
you!<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You were handed a =
classic=20
example of how dissent is silenced and yet, there you sat, =
either=20
unwilling or unable to protest =E2=80=93 failing to get up and =
walk out=20
yourself.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is =
my hope=20
that none of you excuse your inaction under the ruse of not =
knowing how=20
to respond to an awkward social situation, or wanting to =
avoid=20
public embarrassment.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> That is pure=20
baloney</SPAN>.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Spineless=20
is the kindest descriptions that comes to my mind =E2=80=93 =
closely followed by=20
the term limousine liberal.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And God =
knows, there=20
have always been a plethora of those folks in university towns. =
YIKES!!!=20
</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Rose Huskey</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>And what=E2=80=99s with the =
bouncer stuff =E2=80=93 Doug=20
traveling with his private security squad these days?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Talk about delusional=20
grandiosity.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>I=E2=80=99ll be on the=20
look for the stretch limo=20
=
next.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BOD=
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