[Vision2020] The warped and corrupt

John Moss johnmoss@moscow.com
Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:08:16 -0700


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Thomas Bartnick and Gerald Patrick:

You are as corrupt as the day is long.  If your whiny tone, writing =
style, and messages posted back-to-back weren't enough to give you away, =
your feeble attempt to use technology to hide your true identity is now =
revealed.

The messages to Vision2020 sent from Bartnick (3:39 PM) and Gerald =
Patrick (3:55 PM) were sent from the same dial-up account.

Bartnick (Smectymnus@earthlink.net): =
dialup-67.75.212.58.dial1.seattle.level3.net
Patrick (thamar@qwickconnect.net): =
dialup-67.75.212.81.dial1.seattle.level3.net

I like how you got a dial-up account from out of the area to try to =
remove local accountability.  No go.  I like how you disconnected and =
then reconnected between sending messages, so you could obtain a new IP, =
to try to hide your trail.  Well, it didn't work.  And I like how you =
even used a web-mail client, so the emails couldn't be traced to your =
computer's IP address.  Again, nice try.

We know you are not Stambler, because you use a higher form of Internet =
deception (paid accounts).  But we are sick of you, and your slimy =
attempts at vomit-shoveling.  Every couple weeks, you pop back in the =
forum, trying to disguise yourself as some new innocent =
bystander--everytime, with a new email address, a new name, a new =
identity (as a pastor, as a journalist, as a citizen...)--but the same =
old regurgitated message.

If Doug Wilson has the "credibility of a card shark," then what =
credibililty do you have?  You have the audicity to challenge the =
credibility of another forum poster (who consistently uses one email =
address), while you yourself can't even find enough courage to post =
using your real name.  Take your credibility standards to the moon.

Grow up.  Brace yourself like a man.  Pull up your pants, and reveal who =
you are and what you are really after.

Until then, your email headers will continue to proclaim the truth, as =
the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

[And to all the faithful V2020'ers, be careful of messages posted to the =
forum from unfamiliar names.  Or even familiar ones--technology these =
days allows a person who knows what he is doing to send an email from =
any name/address to any other name/address, and almost completely hide =
his trail.]

John Moss



----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Thomas Bartnick=20
  To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
  Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:31 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] unequivocal words of God


  Visionaries:

  Here are a few questions for that mighty man of God, Douglas Wilson, =
whose "fixed standard" just might need some fixing.

  Ten years ago I pilfered a couple of hundred dollars from the church =
for personal business (I didn't wear a condom, but I did leave IOUs in =
the drawer). By what standard can I sanitize my theft and refer to the =
stolen money as "advanced royalties"?
  =20
  An officer of the church has a son who opened an illegal casino and =
gouged fellow believers out of thousands of dollars. By what standard =
should I take church funds to cover up their debts?

  When I saw the topless car wash last summer, my righteous indignation =
burnt so hot that that I doctored the "Welcome to Moscow" sign on the =
Pullman highway to say "Welcome to Hooters." What fixed standard should =
I appeal to when I justify vandalizing public property in order to leave =
the false impression that someone else actually committed a crime, =
because I needed plausible deniability to grandstand on vision20/20 and =
the Daily News?=20
  http://www.vision2020.moscow.com/Archives/2002/0207/msg00003.html

  As a Christian pastor, I point mankind to the fixed standard of the =
Bible. Despite my calling, however, I can't stop myself from making =
false representations all over town. What fixed standard can I use to =
browbeat infidels on the one hand, but rationalize my hypocrisy on the =
other?
  http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php

  Cordially,

  Thomas

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thomas Bartnick and Gerald =
Patrick:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are as corrupt as the day is =
long.&nbsp; If=20
your whiny tone, writing style, and messages posted back-to-back weren't =
enough=20
to give you away, your feeble attempt to use technology to hide your =
true=20
identity is now revealed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The messages to Vision2020 sent from =
Bartnick (3:39=20
PM) and Gerald Patrick (3:55 PM) were sent from the same dial-up=20
account.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bartnick (<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Smectymnus@earthlink.net">Smectymnus@earthlink.net</A>):=20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>dialup-67.75.212.58.dial1.seattle.level3.net</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Patrick (<A=20
href=3D"mailto:thamar@qwickconnect.net">thamar@qwickconnect.net</A>):=20
dialup-67.75.212.81.dial1.seattle.level3.net</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I like how you got a dial-up account =
from out of=20
the area to try to remove local accountability.&nbsp; No go.&nbsp; I =
like how=20
you disconnected and then reconnected between sending messages, so you =
could=20
obtain a new IP, to try to hide your trail.&nbsp; Well, it didn't =
work.&nbsp;=20
And I like how you even used a web-mail client, so the emails couldn't =
be traced=20
to your computer's IP address.&nbsp; Again, nice try.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We know you are not Stambler, because =
you use a=20
higher form of Internet deception (paid accounts).&nbsp; But we are sick =
of you,=20
and your slimy attempts at vomit-shoveling.&nbsp; Every couple weeks, =
you pop=20
back in the forum, trying to disguise yourself as some new innocent=20
bystander--everytime, with a new email address, a new name, a new =
identity (as a=20
pastor, as a journalist, as a citizen...)--but the same old regurgitated =

message.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If Doug Wilson has the "credibility of =
a card=20
shark," then what credibililty do you have?&nbsp; You have the audicity =
to=20
challenge the credibility of another forum poster (who consistently uses =
one=20
email address), while you yourself can't even find enough courage to =
post using=20
your real name.&nbsp; Take your credibility standards to the =
moon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Grow up.&nbsp; Brace yourself like a =
man.&nbsp;=20
Pull up your pants, and reveal who you are and what you are really=20
after.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Until then,&nbsp;your email headers =
will continue=20
to&nbsp;proclaim the truth, as the sun rises in the east and sets in the =

west.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[And to all the faithful V2020'ers, be =
careful of=20
messages posted to the forum from unfamiliar names.&nbsp; Or even =
familiar=20
ones--technology these days allows a person who knows what he is doing =
to send=20
an email from any name/address to any other name/address, and almost =
completely=20
hide his trail.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John Moss</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3DSmectymnus@earthlink.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:Smectymnus@earthlink.net">Thomas Bartnick</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 25, 2003 =
3:31=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
unequivocal words=20
  of God</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Visionaries:<BR><BR>Here are a few questions for that =
mighty=20
  man of God, Douglas Wilson, whose "fixed standard" just might need =
some=20
  fixing.<BR><BR>Ten years ago I pilfered a couple of hundred dollars =
from the=20
  church for personal business (I didn't wear a condom, but I did leave =
IOUs in=20
  the drawer). By what standard can I sanitize my theft and refer to the =
stolen=20
  money as "advanced royalties"?<BR>&nbsp;<BR>An officer of the church =
has a son=20
  who opened an illegal casino and gouged fellow believers out of =
thousands of=20
  dollars. By what standard should I take church funds to cover up their =

  debts?<BR><BR>When I saw the topless car wash last summer, my =
righteous=20
  indignation burnt so hot that that I doctored the "Welcome to Moscow" =
sign on=20
  the Pullman highway to say <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.vision2020.moscow.com/Archives/2002/0207/msg00003.html=
">"Welcome=20
  to Hooters."</A> What fixed standard should I appeal to when I justify =

  vandalizing public property in order to leave the false impression =
that=20
  someone else actually committed a crime, because I needed plausible=20
  deniability to grandstand on vision20/20 and the <I>Daily News</I>? =
<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.vision2020.moscow.com/Archives/2002/0207/msg00003.html=
http://www.vision2020.moscow.com/Archives/2002/0207/msg00003.html">http:/=
/www.vision2020.moscow.com/Archives/2002/0207/msg00003.html</A><BR><BR>As=
=20
  a Christian pastor, I point mankind to the fixed standard of the =
Bible.=20
  Despite my calling, however, I can't stop myself from making false=20
  representations all over <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php">town</A>. What =
fixed=20
  standard can I use to browbeat infidels on the one hand, but =
rationalize my=20
  hypocrisy on the other?<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.phphttp://www.credenda=
.org/issues/11-3meander.php">http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.p=
hp</A><BR><BR>Cordially,<BR><BR>Thomas<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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