[WSBARP] WSBARP Digest, Vol 88, Issue 30
Stephen Whitehouse
swhite8893 at aol.com
Sat Jan 29 12:09:06 PST 2022
I think Eric's analysis is spot on. Forgetting about HIPPA, unless the patient authorized the release of the records,the physician patient privilege still applies and the patient has the right to object to any use of the documents.
Steve
Stephen WhitehouseWhitehouse & Nichols, LLPP.O. Box 1273601 W. Railroad Ave. Shelton, Wa. 98584360-426-5885swhite8893 at aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 11:59:59 -0800
From: Peter Crocker <peterecrocker at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Need referrals for builders
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All of these folks are outstanding humans and builders:
JAS Design Build: https://jasdesignbuild.com/
Huus Contruct: http://www.huusconstruct.com/
Ambrose Construction: https://www.ambroseconstruct.com/
Sincerely,
Peter
Law Office of Peter Crocker, PLLC
210 Polk St., Ste. 6A
Port Townsend, WA 98368
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:36 AM Kailei Feeney <kailei at westseattlelaw.com>
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> On Vashon island proper, good people, a husband and wife owner builder
> team, and excellent work ?
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> Ventana Construction. Ventana Construction Seattle Washington Custom
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:46:25 +0000
From: Eric Nelsen <eric at sayrelawoffices.com>
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I think so on evidentiary basis-lack of foundation. Who is going to testify from personal knowledge as to the authenticity and completeness and true source of the records, or otherwise satisfy the authenticity requirements of ER 901? I assume the "third party" is not the records custodian, and I don't think having documents handed to you from an office is sufficient "personal knowledge" to authenticate. Also there are the typical hearsay objections to the contents of the records (though for medical records that is limited by scope of ER 803(a)(4)).
Note that if they use the pre-trial admissibility notice procedure under ER 904, it will be important to object to authenticity, hearsay, etc. in response, but the stakes go up because related fees and costs can be imposed if there's no reasonable basis to object to authenticity. See ER 904(c)(1).
Sincerely,
Eric
Eric C. Nelsen
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Subject: [WSBARP] Off Topic Question
Unrelated Third party obtains medical records from patient's doctor. Forgetting the HIPPA issue with the medical provider, can't the patient object to them being used in a court proceeding?
Jeff Davis
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:46:34 -0800
From: Peter Crocker <peterecrocker at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Need referrals for builders
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In the interest of transparency, I should point out that I worked for JAS
for almost ten years before law school, and, at JAS, I worked alongside the
principals of both Huus and Ambrose.
Peter
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:59 AM Peter Crocker <peterecrocker at gmail.com>
wrote:
> All of these folks are outstanding humans and builders:
>
> JAS Design Build: https://jasdesignbuild.com/
> Huus Contruct: http://www.huusconstruct.com/
> Ambrose Construction: https://www.ambroseconstruct.com/
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter
>
> Law Office of Peter Crocker, PLLC
> 210 Polk St., Ste. 6A
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
> peter at petercrockerlaw.com
> 360-344-8474
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> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:36 AM Kailei Feeney <kailei at westseattlelaw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Vashon island proper, good people, a husband and wife owner builder
>> team, and excellent work ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ventana Construction. Ventana Construction Seattle Washington Custom
>> Residential Remodeling (ventanabuilds.com)
>> <https://www.ventanabuilds.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kailei
>>
>> Kailei B. Feeney
>> *Attorney-at-Law*
>>
>> 3909 California Avenue SW
>>
>> Seattle, WA 98116-3705
>>
>> (206)938-5500
>>
>> kailei at westseattlelaw.com
>>
>> www.westseattlelaw.com
>>
>> For the latest information regarding firm operations and precautions in
>> light of the Coronavirus please visit our firm?s website:
>> www.WestSeattleLaw.com <http://www.westseattlelaw.com/>.
>>
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>> FB Logo]* <https://www.facebook.com/DeVriezeCarney>
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>> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <
>> wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Shaun Watchie Perry
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 11:18 AM
>> *To:* 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>;
>> Realprop <realprop at googlegroups.com>; KCBA Solo/Small Firms Discussion
>> List <solosmallfirms at lists.kcba.org>; KCBA Business Law Discussion List <
>> businesslaw at lists.kcba.org>; realpropertyprobatetrustlaw at lists.kcba.org
>> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Need referrals for builders
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a client who wants to build a second home on Vashon Island- need
>> referrals from my colleagues.
>>
>> Thanks, Shaun
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Shaun Watchie Perry | Attorney at Law *
>>
>> *Law Office of Shaun Watchie Perry*
>>
>> *1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 940 | Seattle, WA 98101*
>>
>> *Tel +206.729.7442 | Fax + 206.260.1411 <206.260.1411>
>> | www.swp-law.com <http://www.swp-law.com/>*
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 13:19:13 -0800
From: <scott at scottgthomaslaw.com>
To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Off Topic Question
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In addition, ER 702 governs opinions of experts and you can't back door it
by putting in medical records containing opinions about medicine or the
client without a doctor. ER 703 - Bases of expert opinions - CAN BE
inadmissible hearsay so experts could testify based on the records but the
records don't come in unless to impeach. And ER 801 - It is hearsay unless
it meets 801 (d)(2). Medical records do not meet that test - it is not the
party's statement; it is not a statement the plaintiff has adopted or said
was true; it is not a statement by the party's agent or servant with
authority to make the statement.
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On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 12:46 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Off Topic Question
I think so on evidentiary basis-lack of foundation. Who is going to testify
from personal knowledge as to the authenticity and completeness and true
source of the records, or otherwise satisfy the authenticity requirements of
ER 901? I assume the "third party" is not the records custodian, and I don't
think having documents handed to you from an office is sufficient "personal
knowledge" to authenticate. Also there are the typical hearsay objections to
the contents of the records (though for medical records that is limited by
scope of ER 803(a)(4)).
Note that if they use the pre-trial admissibility notice procedure under ER
904, it will be important to object to authenticity, hearsay, etc. in
response, but the stakes go up because related fees and costs can be imposed
if there's no reasonable basis to object to authenticity. See ER 904(c)(1).
Sincerely,
Eric
Eric C. Nelsen
Sayre Law Offices, PLLC
1417 31st Ave South
Seattle WA 98144-3909
206-625-0092
eric at sayrelawoffices.com <mailto:eric at sayrelawoffices.com>
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Seattle office.
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<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com> >
Subject: [WSBARP] Off Topic Question
Unrelated Third party obtains medical records from patient's doctor.
Forgetting the HIPPA issue with the medical provider, can't the patient
object to them being used in a court proceeding?
Jeff Davis
W. Jeff Davis
BELL & DAVIS PLLC
P.O. Box 510
720 E. Washington Street, Suite 105
Sequim WA 98382
Phone: (360) 683.1129
Fax: (360) 683.1258
email: jeff at bellanddavispllc.com <mailto:jeff at bellanddavispllc.com>
<http://www.bellanddavispllc.com/> www.bellanddavispllc.com
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