[WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session
K. Garl Long
Garl at longlaw.biz
Thu Dec 17 12:19:33 PST 2020
Nonsense. Many of us "most privileged" were not always so. Stereotyping
divides, no matter what *ism is used as a wedge.
On 12/17/2020 12:13 PM, Christy M wrote:
> I bet that all jurisdictions would welcome proposals and ideas.
>
> The discussion on this listserv will always be complicated by the fact
> that almost everyone on it is socio-economically privileged, and the
> perspective of the most vulnerable will necessarily be missing.
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session
> What further complicates things are all the municipal moratoriums
> layered on top of the State one.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Christy M <talk2much84 at msn.com
> <mailto:talk2much84 at msn.com>> wrote:
>
> The last time I read the moratorium (admittedly, I have not read
> all of the extensions), the moratorium was on evictions for
> non-payment of rent. Unless I missed an amendment, landlords can
> still evict for bad behavior.
>
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> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> on behalf of Stephen
> Brandli <steve at brandlilaw.com <mailto:steve at brandlilaw.com>>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:45 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session
>
> I do free consultations as a community service and typically get a
> steady stream of tenants. Lately, I have had a steady stream of
> landlords. Of the few who have called because they are not
> receiving rent, they are suffering economic hardship as a result
> of that loss in income. More importantly, the rest have had real
> reasons to evict unrelated to money including harassing behavior
> and boyfriend/girlfriends of non-owning family members who have
> left leaving the boyfriends/girlfriends who refuse to leave. This
> law is very broad and has many unintended consequences. I’m not
> concerned so much about the armor, it’s the sword slashing
> indiscriminately.
>
> Steve
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
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> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Hay
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:20 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session
>
> I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor
> at the same time…..
>
> This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled
> by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy
> protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole
> – renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They
> are people who can’t afford homes due to lack of wealth.
>
> There may be a limited number of seeming injustices to landlords
> caused by the moratorium, but the harm to vast numbers of renters
> who typically live paycheck to paycheck – or social security check
> to social security check – would be much greater.
>
> This graph shows the wealth disparity between those who own homes
> and those who don’t.
>
> The disparity between corporate landlords and renters would be
> even more ridiculously imbalanced. In a time of crisis, the
> moratorium policy appropriately shifts burdens to those who can
> better afford it to protect the overall stability of the state and
> the nation.
>
> *Andrew Hay*
>
> Hay & Swann PLLC
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> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Rani K.
> Sampson
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:48 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session
>
> Washington Landlord Association says that it “has become a
> Plaintiff in a state lawsuit to stop the madness as well as
> supporting a Federal lawsuit financially with the same goal.”
> WLA’s Executive Director is Everett attorney, Rob Trickler.
>
> In the meantime, proposed tenant-protections laws for next session
> can be seen here:
>
> *Eviction Reform - Landlord Tenant Protections - Draft - SUMMARY*
> <https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D0016xBNrvCGpuqtxj-u0QHd1WcIK79HR0K2nSIcHW4Lhy608EqHJczWUFQciVgluXswrmiFHmIHGoaHvh4lwW2c_gc6kHMx9FZEsnlgjQ7Lt2XWavKBV8bu93YnWEnYeDQjaN0XV90_N3ESQJFK_OQQj8Fhi-pFd0CM2oco7QBhc-VTDqOwr3w8NnmhZZy2Z-PPeETx8qIaQaYn5WDBf4iibczeJYx4eQn9qOL1bn429Kk%3D%26c%3DibxhavcAX8moKCW_wWGf2myqQgcKPwHVPy2f9DbCcqZKGKwYYUOUhg%3D%3D%26ch%3DVptldhPJG85Uqv6l5MYzzsb9g1H7Oq1tIl7UXoIoN2CmsegeYA1yBg%3D%3D&data=04%7C01%7C%7C09399152ed91402c282f08d8a2c7f1f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637438326938440865%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pRqvD3h6kUtHPdKeIjqb2KYpReEjSYjWgJ0y4PCuRkY%3D&reserved=0>
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> *Eviction Reform - Landlord Tenant Protections - Stakeholder Draft
> - FULL BILL*
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> *Rani K. Sampson*
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> Overcast Law Offices |Attorney
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> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
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> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> *On Behalf Of *Rob Rowley
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:15 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question
>
> As a lowly dirt attorney a little bit beyond my pay grade.
>
> My observation is that regulatory taking and substantive due
> process for landlords is largely dead in Washington state (unless
> you are a tenant) after the Yim I and Yim II (2019) cases. There
> was an excellent article about those cases in the RPPT newsletter.
>
> Just wait till rent control (aka ‘housing stability’) steamrolls
> through not this session but probably the following legislative
> session.
>
> What say wiser counsel?
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
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> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *Jennifer L White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question
>
> Rob,
>
> I’m curious if any of you LL/T gurus and/or real property
> litigators are considering filing some kind of action or class
> action on a constitutional takings basis? It seems to me that the
> government has turned private landlords into unwilling purveyors
> of public housing. All of these regulations/laws were hastily
> conceived and handed down by fiat. The result has been a
> tremendous and concentrated loss to private property owners.
> Perhaps it has to play out further? Have to wait to quantify the
> exact loss when the moratoriums end and you work through getting
> them out under all of these onerous “drag it out” policies
> benefiting only tenants? We all know that deadbeat tenants are
> never going to pay up even a tiny fraction of what they owe. That
> is but a legal illusion of justice for the property owners.
>
> Jennifer L. White, Esq.
>
> jen at appletreelaw.com <mailto:jen at appletreelaw.com>
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> PO Box 11037
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> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
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> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> *On Behalf Of *Rowley, Rob
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 6:49 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com
> <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question
>
> As I tell my landlord clients we lawyers don't like guaranteeing
> anything but there is one thing I will guarantee is that the
> Governor will extend the moratorium sometime into 2021.
>
> Also, I suspect that Pres. Biden (once in office) will also extend
> the CDC moratorium which is scheduled to lapse on December 31
> which is only for nonpayment of rent.
>
> You also have to look at your local county to see if they are part
> of the Eviction Resolution Program. Spokane County where I am
> based out of is a part of the ERP and eventually once the
> moratorium is lifted we have to participate in the program.
>
> http://www.courts.wa.gov/newsinfo/index.cfm?fa=newsinfo.EvictionResolutionProgram
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> Also, the upcoming legislative session has a number of bills which
> will be filed which will essentially make it near impossible to
> evict a for rent (or anything) anytime soon (month to month goes
> away for a while). Who knows what actually will pass as law is a
> different question. Two things that you never want to see being
> made is sausage and law.
>
> Summary:
>
> https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf
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> If I'm a betting man I would say the Legislature will pass some
> very tenant friendly provisions tied to the governor lifting the
> moratorium. In other words, let the Legislature take the
> flak from those unpaid landlords.
>
> Interesting times we live in.
>
> Rob Rowley
>
> Spokane
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:32 PM Sangeeta Saigal
> <attorney at sangeetasaigal.com <mailto:attorney at sangeetasaigal.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Landlord Gurus,
>
> I understand that there is a moratorium against evictions
> until December 31^st .
>
> According to how I understand the proclamation this moratorium
> applies to tenants who have lost their jobs or source of
> income related to Covid.
>
> Question:
>
> If a residential tenant has not lost their source of income
> ie. On govt assistance and they are not paying the rent does
> the moratorium against no eviction rule apply to them.
>
> How best to approach such tenant who seems to be taking
> advantage of the moratorium.
>
> Any advice would be really appreciated.
>
> Sangeeta
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