[WSBAPT] Recording a death certificate

[Rhonda Rudman]

One other thing to note is that some counties do things differently.

In Kitsap County a recorded death certificate is blocked from public 
viewing.
A recording number for a death certificate will show that there was a 
death certificate recorded for "John Doe" and it will show who recorded 
it and when.
I believe the title companies can get a copy for their records.

Rhonda Lee Rudman
Attorney at Law
17791 Fjord Drive NE, Suite 134
Poulsbo, Washington  98370
Phone 360-779-6400



On 9/27/2023 10:39 AM, Diane J. Kiepe wrote:
>
> I have heard open credit cards or find out family information leading 
> to other identity theft.  The first is not an issue when folks pass 
> but the second is a potential issue I suppose – I have had 2 clients 
> this year with stolen identities and it seems to stem from ssn –
>
> I always say if someone stole mine they’d be sorely disappointed 😉
>
> //
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Philip N. Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:04 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Recording a death certificate
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> I have always wondered what a wrong-doer can do with a decedent’s 
> SSN.  Any ideas?
>
> Phil Jones
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com 
> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Diane J. Kiepe
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:14 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Recording a death certificate
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> So, I’m on team file the DC but I also redact the SSN of the 
> decedent.  If surviving spouse is not a good record keeper, dies 
> suddenly, etc. the matter is on record.  I would also be certain what, 
> if anything must be done with the property at first death.  Most joint 
> trusts I have seen require a division into subtrusts (deceased’s 
> trust, made up of deceased’s sp and cp (1/2) and survivor’s trust 
> (survivor’s sp and cp (1/2)) and a deed may be needed now.  It’s a 
> shame because many times subtrust are not necessary (I have drafted 
> more than one TEDRA around that issue)
>
> //
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> /Diane J. Kiepe/
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> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Nick Pleasants
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2023 5:25 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Recording a death certificate
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> I’ll add a dissenting opinion. Why are you recording the death 
> certificate at all? If/when the property is sold, the title company is 
> going to do its own investigatoin, and you probably would just tell 
> them one of the trustees died and give the title company the death 
> certificate, and they can record it if they want to or not. Given 
> that, I do not routinely record the death certificate if property is 
> in a living trust.
>
> If it bothers the client to have the Deceased spouse’s name on the 
> property tax bill, you can just call the County Treasurer/Assessor and 
> have them change it (they don’t usually require a REETA to make a 
> change to the taxpayername).
>
> My bias is to not make things a permanent public record unless 
> necessary. In this case, it is not necessary to record the death 
> certificate after the first spouse dies.
>
> You would be required to file the pour-over will, if any exists. That 
> is often all we file for public record on death of first spouse.
>
> Best,
>
> Nick
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2023 9:26 AM
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> My answer would be yes.  Otherwise, the client will just have to deal 
> with that later when the client goes to sell or otherwise dispose of 
> the property.  Also, this may serve to put a "tick mark" in the 
> records of the county assessor as to documents/events affecting title 
> to the property.
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> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Jon Fritzler
> *Sent:* 09/19/2023 12:38 PM
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> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] Recording a death certificate
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> Client and his deceased spouse were co-trustee’s of their RLT.  When 
> recording the spouse’s death certificate, should a cover sheet be 
> recorded with the legal description of the property(ies) affected?
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> Sincerely,
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> Jon M. Fritzler
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