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One other thing to note is that some counties do things differently.<br>
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In Kitsap County a recorded death certificate is blocked from public
viewing.<br>
A recording number for a death certificate will show that there was
a death certificate recorded for "John Doe" and it will show who
recorded it and when.<br>
I believe the title companies can get a copy for their records. <br>
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Rhonda Lee Rudman<br>
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17791 Fjord Drive NE, Suite 134<br>
Poulsbo, Washington 98370<br>
Phone 360-779-6400 <br>
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Roman",serif">I have heard open credit cards or find
out family information leading to other identity theft. The
first is not an issue when folks pass but the second is a
potential issue I suppose – I have had 2 clients this year
with stolen identities and it seems to stem from ssn –
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Roman",serif">So, I’m on team file the DC but I also
redact the SSN of the decedent. If surviving spouse is not
a good record keeper, dies suddenly, etc. the matter is on
record. I would also be certain what, if anything must be
done with the property at first death. Most joint trusts I
have seen require a division into subtrusts (deceased’s
trust, made up of deceased’s sp and cp (1/2) and survivor’s
trust (survivor’s sp and cp (1/2)) and a deed may be needed
now. It’s a shame because many times subtrust are not
necessary (I have drafted more than one TEDRA around that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="elementtoproof">I’ll add a
dissenting opinion. Why are you recording the death
certificate at all? If/when the property is sold, the
title company is going to do its own investigatoin, and
you probably would just tell them one of the trustees died
and give the title company the death certificate, and they
can record it if they want to or not. Given that, I do not
routinely record the death certificate if property is in a
living trust.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="elementtoproof">If it
bothers the client to have the Deceased spouse’s name on
the property tax bill, you can just call the County
Treasurer/Assessor and have them change it (they don’t
usually require a REETA to make a change to the </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="elementtoproof">My bias is
to not make things a permanent public record unless
necessary. In this case, it is not necessary to record the
death certificate after the first spouse dies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You would be required to file the
pour-over <span class="grame">
will, if</span> any exists. That is often all we file for
public record on death of first spouse.
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and his deceased spouse were co-trustee’s of their RLT.
When recording the spouse’s death certificate, should a
cover sheet be recorded with the legal description of the
property(ies) affected? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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