[WSBAPT] Requirement for Death Cert in Probate
Paul Neumiller
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Thu Feb 10 16:09:44 PST 2022
Thank you. This will be very useful.
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Sure. You'll see alternate sample language, though I've modified this to fit the facts beyond these choices as well, including an obituary, a conversation with the medical examiner, etc.
Heather
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Heather, can you post a form of your affidavit or attorney declaration?
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Yes, King County has required proof of death, in the form of an attorney affidavit or death certificate for several years now. I am not aware of any change to that requirement. I generally use the option of an affidavit I sign indicating what my evidence of death is (death certificate, conversation with ME or funeral home, etc.).
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Requirement for Death Cert in Probate
I recently opened a King County probate and the Commissioner returned my papers indicating "he needed proof of death" even though Petition was verified by the mother of the decedent.
So, I prepared a declaration and submitted it with cremation receipt, then the order was signed and Letters issued.
Dalynne Singleton
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Thanks, Dalynnne. Good info.
Best Regards, Tom
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Requirement for Death Cert in Probate
This is true but you do need proof of death which has usually been to provide the death certificate with redacted SSN. It is a negative rule - most local court rules do not require death certificates to open probate.
But, given the slow nature and difficulty of receiving WA death certificates of late, I now prepare a Declaration and provide the court with proof of death in another way - cremation receipt, funeral home/memorial confirmation/receipt, newspaper or obituary, etc. If none of those, a Declaration of next of kin as to the death can usually suffice.
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Requirement for Death Cert in Probate
Greetings all, it is my understanding that we no longer have a state wide requirement to have a death certificate to open a probate proceeding. Can someone please confirm this and point me in the right direction for authority.
Sincerely,
Tom
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