[WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

[Michael Safren]

Hello Fellow Listserv Participants:

I wanted to address some concerns that some of the listserv subscribers and
participants had about some of the changes.  Specifically, some
participants who are not members of the bar expressed concerns that the
upcoming changes would force them to take on the economic obligation to
join the bar.

I want to assure you that this is not the case.  A person can enjoy section
membership in the WSBA RPPT section without necessarily being a member of
the WSBA.  I've posted the by-law below to assure those who have these
concerns that section membership is open to non-WSBA members.  Please note
that non-WSBA members would not be able to vote in section elections, but
would otherwise enjoy the other member benefits including: access to the
Quarterly Newsletter, access to electronic resources such as deskbook
sections, and access to the listservs.  Please see the by-laws below:

2 Subscribers. Any law student or other person may be enrolled as a
non-voting member (“subscriber”) upon request and payment of applicable
annual Section dues. Subscribers shall be entitled to receive the
Newsletter of the Section and shall have access to materials and pages
designated as "Members Pages" on the Section's web site, but subscribers
have no right to vote.



2.3 Dues. Dues shall be paid annually in advance. Any person who shall fail
to pay the annual dues shall cease to be a member or subscriber of the
Section, as applicable. Dues, which shall be determined by the executive
committee of the Section, and approved by the Bar Board of Governors, may
differ for voting members and subscribers. The dues for law students shall
be set according to the annual standard established by the Board of
Governors for law student section memberships.


I hope this assuages the concerns of the non-member participants to the
listserv.  Please know that everyone's participation in the listserv is
valued.  The Executive Committee decided to implement these changes to the
listserv in part due to the resources necessary to maintain and operate the
listservs and to improve the overall experience for both the listservs and
for section members.

Kind regards,
Michael Safren
Web Editor, RPPT section




On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:05 AM RebeccaWiess <rwiess at foxinternet.net>
wrote:

> The new policy means I and other retired attorneys will no longer be part
> of this listserv. I occasionally post on historical evolution of real
> property procedure or law, as a contribution to the education of those who
> come after me, and payback for those who helped me as a newbie thirty-some
> years ago. If institutional memory is valuable, then this listserv needs an
> emeritus status to include folks like me. If us old folks are not of value,
> then cut us out. And before you say “just join the section,” remember that
> retaining bar membership after retiring means continuing to pay bar dues
> and CLE costs. Once you do that, you get tempted to do some little piece of
> practice, and then you should be insured as well, and that means needing
> more income, and suddenly you are not retired anymore. Allowing
> non-practicing members of the bar to join still means you are going to
> eliminate some of your oldest and most experienced current members, because
> they retired..
>
>
>
> Rebecca K. Wiess
>
> 421 24th Avenue East
>
> Seattle, WA  98112
>
> Phone 206 329-6638
>
> rwiess at foxinternet.net
>
>
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>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:
> wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Safren
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 9:18 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and
> the Probate & Trust Listservs
>
>
>
> Hello Fellow Listservers:
>
>
>
> I wanted to provide another reminder to all listserv users of the
> scheduled updates and upcoming changes to both the Real Property and
> Probate & Trust Listservs.
>
>
>
> Starting February 1st, 2019, both listservs will only be accessible by
> WSBA RPPT members. The RPPT Executive Committee decided after much
> deliberation and input that the listservs should be an exclusive member
> benefit.  Starting February 1st, 2019, you will need to login into the
> www.wsbarppt.com website using your section login and password in order
> to register for the listserv, access the listserv archives, and/or
> unsubscribe to the listserv.
>
>
>
> Further, the Executive Committee has approved the adoption of new
> guidelines, rules, and general etiquette for the listserv.  These will be
> posted on www.wsbarppt,com under the listserv tab for all members to see
> and review.
>
>
>
> Lastly, beginning on February 1st, 2019, all listserv postings will
> contain a disclaimer in the footer reminding all that while the listservs
> will be restricted to RPPT section members, not all section members are
> practicing attorneys.  Section membership is open to law students,
> non-practicing members of the bar, and even some non-attorney professionals
> in related fields such as title officers, real estate agents, and escrow
> agents.
>
>
>
> The Executive Committee believes that these changes will improve the
> listserv experience for section members and deliver value to members as one
> of many available section member benefits.
>
>
>
> I hope to make the transition to the members only listserv as seamless as
> possible  If you experience any difficulty during the transition, please
> feel free to email me and I will do my best to respond and assist you.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Michael Safren
>
> Web Editor, RPPT Section
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