Fwd: WSBA Probate & Trust Daily Digest
Brett Sullivan
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Wed May 28 10:57:12 PDT 2014
Jeez, Doug, I'm sorry to see you taking some heat like this. Not a very
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From: Jennifer Rydberg <jenny at jcrlaw.com>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: WSBA Probate & Trust Daily Digest
To: Doug Lawrence <Doug.Lawrence at stokeslaw.com>, webmaster at wsbarppt.com
Hi Doug,
Really? The mess I forwarded to you is not "far less from ideal", it's
worse. The WSBA Family Law Section uses Yahoo Groups for its list serve,
which has an excellent format that is always readable, straightforward,
easy
to use, and lacks the computer gobble-d-gook. Doug Becker at Weschler
Becker set up the whole thing and is very generous about sharing his
expertise. I'll send you the most recent e-mail from them so you can see
the format.
With kindest regards,
Jenny Rydberg, WSBA #8183
425-235-5535
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-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:Doug.Lawrence at stokeslaw.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:52 AM
To: jenny at jcrlaw.com; webmaster at wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: WSBA Probate & Trust Daily Digest
Hi Jennifer:
Unfortunately there is not. The system we are on now has no options for
altering how the digest appears. We recognize that it is far less from
ideal.
We are looking at other solutions (other service providers), but this will
take some time. The other option would be to get regular messages and
establish a rule that sends them to a separate folder so you can view them
when you like.
Best regards,
Doug Lawrence
Web Editor
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Rydberg [mailto:jenny at jcrlaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:12 PM
To: webmaster at wsbarppt.com
Subject: FW: WSBA Probate & Trust Daily Digest
Is there any way to change settings, and if so, how, so I get real
messages
instead of the computer generated nightmare that follows?
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From: "Sam Furgason" <sam at furgasons.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] new TEDRA case: Estate of Bernard
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 21:23:48 -0700
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Thanks, Karen. I read the opinion. I did not, and still do not, understand
why the TEDRA agreement made court order had anything to do with these
particular parties. Absent a showing of being intended beneficiaries of
the
TEDRA provisions, none of them had any basis for claiming to be entitled
to
enforce the provisions of the agreement/order. In my opinion, the warring
parties had no standing to litigate the TEDRA agreement issue. It was an
agreement/order between Tom and James only, and without it Tom could have
made the same modifications to his will and trust as he made with James's
consent. I don't see how the other parties could base any claims on
violation of that order, as they were not parties to it. As the court
pointed out, competence and undue influence, potential bases for setting
aside the will, trust, codicil or amendment, were not before it. Acting as
the trial judge, or as an appellate judge, I would have dismissed the
TEDRA
agreement based claims for lack of standing, in about two paragraphs. This
is a precedent for permitting unaffected parties to enforce a private
TEDRA
agreement once it becomes an order which I would prefer had not been
propounded.
S
From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 12:32 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] new TEDRA case: Estate of Bernard
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/696084.pdf
in case you missed it..
Professor Karen E. Boxx
University of Washington School of Law
Box 353020
Seattle, WA 98195-3020
206.616.3856
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks, Karen. I =
read the opinion. I did not, and still do not, understand why the TEDRA =
agreement made court order had anything to do with these particular =
parties. Absent a showing of being intended beneficiaries of the TEDRA =
provisions, none of them had any basis for claiming to be entitled to =
enforce the provisions of the agreement/order. In my opinion, the =
warring
parties had no standing to litigate the TEDRA agreement issue. = It was an
agreement/order between Tom and James only, and without it Tom = could
have
made the same modifications to his will and trust as he made = with
James’s consent. I don’t see how the other parties = could
base
any claims on violation of that order, as they were not = parties to it.
As
the court pointed out, competence and undue influence, = potential bases
for
setting aside the will, trust, codicil or amendment, = were not before it.
Acting as the trial judge, or as an appellate judge, = I would have
dismissed the TEDRA agreement based claims for lack of = standing, in
about
two paragraphs. This is a precedent for permitting = unaffected parties to
enforce a private TEDRA agreement once it becomes = an order which I would
prefer had not been propounded. = <o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen E. =
Boxx<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2014 12:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] new TEDRA case: =
Estate of Bernard<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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