[Vision2020] "Journey for Justice"

Paul Rumelhart paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
Sat Nov 29 22:01:05 PST 2014 

All I'm asking is that if we are going to ruin someone's life and use them
as an example of the racist system, I'd like to be sure that he really
acted as a racist in the one event that has sparked all the riots.  I
know!  Crazy, right?  That way people can burn down the city of St. Louis
in good conscience, knowing they are doing the right thing.

I'm just asking for evidence.  For all I know, there's a stack of evidence
four feet high just sitting there waiting for someone to post it.  I'd be
happy to change my mind if someone gave me reason to.  Then I could step
back and get out of the way of all you people hating on The Man.

It looks to me like a lot of people got upset when they only knew what his
friend was saying about him being shot in the back.  They got upset based
on just that information, which is somewhat understandable.  What they
haven't done, though, is reevaluated in light of new evidence.  I guess
their protests are too important to let mere facts get in the way.

Paul

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

> You don't get that the world isn't black and white.  You don't get gray.
> You don't get people and you don't get nuance.
>
> Don't look for them at fucking Wal-Mart, they're not on the shelves.
>
> Seriously, of course they're not going to charge anyone for the response.
> You can't figure out that whoever is in charge,  they'll need that response
> for the next Occupy protests?
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:44:13 -0800
>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Journey for Justice"
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> They aren't talking about bringing federal charges against the guy who
> ordered the state response against the protests, and they aren't talking
> about bringing anyone up on charges because of police brutality or
> over-zealous use of military resources during the protests.  They are
> talking about bringing federal charges against Wilson, regardless of
> whether or not there is any actual evidence that what he did was racially
> motivated.  Maybe you don't give a shit about that, but I think it's wrong.
>
> "Why do you return  to the same place no matter what anyone else says?"
>
> Because I don't purchase my fucking opinions at Walmart on Black Friday,
> and I don't simply change them because that's what the cool people are
> thinking these days.  I get that people are upset about a lot of things in
> this case, but what I'm addressing is the injustice that might happen as a
> consequence because "race".
>
> Paul
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For crying out loud, why is your default position "If they are going to
> serve this guy up on the altar of institutional racism, though, it would be
> nice if what he had done was actually a racist act.  Otherwise, they have
> the wrong target?"
>
> Can you not consider that he killed the kid when he should not have killed
> him, and people who are used to institutional racism see that at play when
> he isn't indicted? When the prosecutor makes sure there is no indictment?
>
> Why do you return  to the same place no matter what anyone else says?
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:40:57 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Journey for Justice"
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Sure, I have no trouble believing that institutional racism exists.  And
> if those walking are protesting the heavy-handed handling of their
> protests, then fine.  I can get behind that.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Do you not want to look at the big picture? There's a good argument that
> the state response to the post-shooting protests reflect police brutality
> and militarization. I'm curious: do you reject the idea that  sometimes
> institutional racism exists within police departments?
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:56:29 -0800
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Journey for Justice"
>
>
> “We stand committed to continue our fight against racial profiling, police
> brutality and the militarization of local authorities.”
>
> Those are certainly good things to protest against, but is there any
> indication that Wilson used racial profiling in his encounter with Brown?
> Unless his handgun was some new space-age blaster weapon, I'm guessing he
> wasn't overly militarized, either.
>
> The question of police brutality (excessive force, really) rests on
> whether or not Wilson was telling the truth about being rushed by Brown or
> whether his friend was telling the truth about their surrendering to him.
>
> Since he wasn't indicted, I guess we'll have to wait for whatever lawsuits
> or criminal charges next get sent his way.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Courtesy of the *St. Louis American* at:
>
>
> http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_f95c08a8-7778-11e4-8941-c312233af829.html?mode=jqm
>
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>
> NAACP ‘Journey for Justice’ march from Ferguson to Jefferson City starts
> today
>
> In response to the grand jury’s decision not to indict Darren Wilson for
> the killing of 18 year old Michael Brown Jr., the NAACP, including members
> of the Youth and College division and senior and youth organizations, will
> be embarking on a 120 mile, 7 - day march entitled, “Journey for Justice:
> Ferguson to Jefferson City”.
> “The NAACP stands with citizens and communities who are deeply
> disappointed that the grand jury did not indict Darren Wilson for the
> tragic death of Michael Brown, Jr,” said William Brooks, NAACP President &
> CEO . “We stand committed to continue our fight against racial profiling,
> police brutality and the militarization of local authorities.”
> The Journey for Justice will commence with a commissioning service at 12
> noon at the Washington Metropolitan AME, the march will start at 1pm at the
> Canfield Green Apartments and conclude at the Missouri Governor's Mansion
> in Jefferson City.
> For seven days, beginning Saturday, November 29th, marchers will walk
> along the route to the Governor’s Mansion. Each evening, the marchers will
> participate in teach-ins and rallies that are open to the public. New
> participants are welcome to join the Journey for Justice each morning as
> walking commences. We expect buses will provide relief for marchers along
> the 120 mile Journey for Justice.
> Brooks says the purpose of the march is to call for new leadership of the
> Ferguson police department, beginning with the police chief, and for new
> reforms of police practice and culture in both Ferguson and across the
> country.
> Our “Journey for Justice: Ferguson to Jefferson City” march is the first
> of many demonstrations to show both the country and the world that the
> NAACP and our allies will not stand down until systemic change,
> accountability and justice in cases of police misconduct are served for
> Michael Brown and the countless other men and women who lost their lives to
> such police misconduct.
> “Journey for Justice: Ferguson to Jefferson City” will begin with a 12
> noon commissioning service is at Washington Metropolitan AME 613 N Garrison
> Ave, St Louis, MO 63103. The march will begin at 1 p.m. in Canfield Green
> Apartments 2974 Coppercreek Rd, St Louis, MO 63136
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> http://action.naacp.org/page/-/images/user_uploads/feature/journey-rotator.png/@mx_605
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" - Proverb
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