[Vision2020] more guns on campus

[Tom Hansen]

This is a simple ongoing comparison, Mr. Crabtree . . .

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The number of gun-related incidents (incidents involving a student and a gun in his/her possession, regardless of whether or not that student possessed a CCW permit or not) on the University of Idaho campus during the past one hundred years.

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The number of gun-related incidents (incidents involving a student and a gun in his/her possession, regardless of whether or not that student possessed a CCW permit or not) on the University of Idaho campus in forthcoming years, commencing now.

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The purpose of this comparison is to determine the impact of allowing students to carry concealed weapons on the University of Idaho campus.

Understand?

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
  
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon
  

> On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that you are confused, Mr. Hanson. The change in the law only affects the two previously mentioned groups. A student without an ECWP or, who is not retired LE is subject to the same rules as before. There is precious little need to be holding vigil.
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> g
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>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> An incident involving a student and a gun in his/her possession, Mr. Crabtree.
>> 
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>   
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>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> An incident committed by a retired law enforcement officer or the holder of a valid enhanced Idaho state CWP as per the change in the law? I'm willing to bet long odds on not any time soon (if ever)
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>>> g
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>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>> Jus' for the heck of it . . . 
>>>> 
>>>> How many gun-related incidents have there been on the University of Idaho campus in the past ten years?  Twenty years?  Fifty Years?  One hundred years? 
>>>> 
>>>> Next question . . .
>>>> 
>>>> How long will it be until there is a gun-related incident on the University of Idaho campus?
>>>> 
>>>> Start your watches, V-Peeps.
>>>> 
>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>> 
>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>>   
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>> 
>>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>> 
>>>> - John Lennon
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why was the law forbidding concealed firearms on campus so much more effective in protecting your "dh" that the much more stringent law that forbids shooting others without an extremely good reason. The person who will obey the first will almost certainly obey the second. The one that disregards the second will laugh at the first.
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>>>>> g
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>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>> I know of a couple of professors who were here interviewing for a position around the time Otter signed the bill and both were absolutely aghast.  Both subsequently declined the position.  Was it because of the guns on campus debacle?  Who knows, but that certainly did not help based on the reactions.
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>>>>>> My dh is considering no longer meeting in person with students in his office once this goes into effect – they can contact him via phone or email during his office hours.  You know how those Idaho legislators think they deserve special treatment because they sometimes have to deal with hostile constituents therefore they don’t need no stinking permits?  I have no sympathy for them given their absolute love of Red Meat politics, but they have nothing on professors who have to deal with unhinged students certain that a poor grade on an assignment is going to ruin their career opportunities for the rest of their lives, etc.
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>>>>>> He’s half-joking, but I’m not.  I’m glad he’ll be retiring sooner rather than later.
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>>>>>> Great job, Idaho, of finding new creative ways of killing education – those of you who worship at the 2A alter must be so proud.
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>>>>>> Disgusting.
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>>>>>> Saundra
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>>>>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:30 AM
>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] more guns on campus
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>>>>>> I was speaking with some of my professor friends yesterday. I asked, "If you are allowed to make classroom rules such as no cell phones, no computer games, no eating, how is it that you won't be able to say "no guns in my classroom?" I suggested going to the union and having a statewide walkout. Instead, two of these friends, who are extremely capable and long term professors said they are applying for posts in other states. For them, this is the straw (disrespect) that is breaking the camel's back.
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