[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 133

Thu Mar 13 12:28:47 PDT 2014

As I said, Otter felt he had no choice but to sign the bill. Now though, he is attempting (pretending) to "man up" to his responsibilities. But this is not a true man's courageous stand. It is the stand of a wimp who is, after the fact, trying to play both sides. What a looser. 
Outside of a few gun toting hare-brains who think an appropriate environment to be carrying their popguns are institutions of higher learning, I would hazard that most Idahoans are looking at this development with a critical eye. 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Gov signs guns on campus -Choices? (Tom Hansen)
   2. Re: Gov signs guns on campus -Choices? (Tom Hansen)
   3. Re: Gov signs guns on campus -Choices? (Paul Rumelhart)

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:45:26 -0700
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
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Courtesy of the February 11, 2014 edition of the Spokesman-Review at:

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2014/feb/11/otter-now-against-guns-campus/

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Otter Now Against Guns on Campus?

Gov. C.L. ?Butch? Otter is distancing himself from Nampa GOP State Sen. Curt McKenzie's proposal to allow people with enhanced concealed-weapons permits to carry guns on Idaho campuses. At a ?Capital for a Day? event Feb. 7 in the North-Central Idaho community of Craigmont, Otter said he would hesitate at second-guessing the judgment of university officials. ?We give all these assets?these big buildings, these big campuses and everything?to the college president,? Otter told the Craigmont gathering. ?And we say you're responsible and now we come back and say ? you can make all the rules and regulations, except ? ? Otter didn't finish his sentence but reminded the gathering that any gun regulations should be crafted based on ?dong the right thing?/George Prentice, Boise Weekly. More here.

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Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't recall Otter having objections to the bill, so what would motivate him to veto it?  This has all been a monumental waste of time.  Hopefully this is the last we'll hear of it.
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> From: bear at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:35:06 -0700
> To: rhayes at frontier.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov signs guns on campus -Choices?
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> The governor had 3 choices, sign the bill, not sign the bill and it becomes law in 5 days, or veto it.
> BUT  two thirds of both houses can over ride that veto.  Here we have legislation, that IF it was vetoed, it already had the necessary votes 
> to over ride the governor's veto, so the veto would have just been a "gesture", one that the majority of Idaho citizens are not in favor of.
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> I don't see where signing a bill that the majority of the legislature has passed and that a majority of the people of Idaho want is cowardly.
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> On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:43 AM, rhayes at frontier.com wrote:
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> I do not intend to excuse Otter for signing the bill, but he probably felt he had no choice. He is facing competition from an even more radical right wing opponent in the upcoming primary. Had he vetoed this bill, it would have given fodder to the extremists which might cause disillusion among the rank and file republicans. 
> However, as I argued in a letter to the governor, his veto would signify that he was his own man, capable of bucking out-of-state pressure groups, and that a veto of this very contentious, and more  than likely dangerous bill, would have won him lots of ground among more main steam and moderate citizens...maybe even college administrators, workers, students, parents of students, police, and state workers.
> But of course, he signed it. Why? Because he is a coward who is not willing to step up and be a "real man." 
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> Idaho governor signs campus gun bill into law
> BY KATIE TERHUNE
> Associated PressMarch 12, 2014 
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> Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/03/12/3076774/idaho-governor-signs-campus-gun.html#storylink=cpy
> BOISE, IDAHO ? Students, staff and visitors are now cleared to bring concealed guns onto Idaho's college and university campuses.
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> Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter signed the bill into law Wednesday.
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> It allows retired law enforcement and concealed-carry permit holders bring guns into classrooms and anywhere else on campus ? except dormitories and stadiums.
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> The proposal drew heated criticism from heads of all eight of the state's public colleges and sparked a protest that drew hundreds to the Capitol.
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> Opponents say it will strip policy-making power from universities, stymie recruitment efforts and put those on campus at risk.
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> Otter wrote in a statement he backed the bill to protect Second Amendment rights.
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> He says Idaho will carefully monitor the situation to alleviate public safety concerns.
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> The new law goes into effect July 1.
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> Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/03/12/3076774/idaho-governor-signs-campus-gun.html#storylink=cpy
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:48:50 -0700
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
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Mr. Rumelhart stated:

"Here's one that will bake your noodle.  That person in line behind you at the grocery store might just have a gun under his/her jacket, too."

And you're not paranoid, right Mr. Rumelhart?

PARANOIA . . . SELF-DESTROYA !

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Here's one that will bake your noodle.  That person in line behind you at the grocery store might just have a gun under his/her jacket, too.
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I'm not the one who is worried about it, so I can't claim to be especially paranoid about this subject.

Paul

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Mr. Rumelhart stated:

"Here's one that will bake your noodle.? That person in line behind you at the grocery store might just have a gun under his/her jacket, too."

And you're not paranoid, right Mr. Rumelhart?

PARANOIA . . . SELF-DESTROYA !

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
??
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon
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On Mar 13, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Here's one that will bake your noodle.? That person in line behind you at the grocery store might just have a gun under his/her jacket, too.
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