[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Mon Mar 10 17:56:36 PDT 2014

My apologies.  I figured that by using the words "worships at the 2A 
alter" you were making the statement that the 2A altar wasn't something 
worth worshiping at.  My mistake.

Paul

On 03/10/2014 01:42 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
> What on earth makes you think I "don't like" the Second Amendment, Paul?
> That's just plain silliness . . . and yet another distortion on your part,
> Paul.  I won't even bother to express surprise or disappointment at your
> false characterization.  This isn't the first time you've accused those of
> us who have pointed out the lunacy of the gun nuts of being anti-2A -- I
> guess you find it easier to do that than deal with the reality that the 2A
> nuts are unreasonable.
>
> It would, however, be fair to say that I "don't like" the perversion of the
> Second Amendment by the likes of the new NRA, some GOPers, most tea baggers,
> gun manufacturers, etc.  That perversion has found traction amongst the
> least mentally stable amongst us, yet you just ignore that inconvenient
> factoid.
>
> And, what I particularly "don't like" is that so many who worship at the 2A
> alter are intentionally obtuse and stunningly silent about the rest of the
> Constitution unless it's to rant & rave about doing away with the Fed,
> getting rid of direct election of senators, justifying denying privacy with
> respect to reproductive RIGHTS, justifying equal protection for ALL
> Americans, etc.
>
> IOW, I find the rank hypocrisy of elevating 2A above everything else in the
> Constitution to be offensive and mentally unbalanced.  And, it's
> disingenuous -- at best -- for you to fail to make the distinction.  The
> vast majority of those who worship at the 2A alter pick & choose what parts
> of the Constitution they "like" and which parts they "don't like" whereas
> people like me actually respect the entire thing.
>
>
> Saundra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:54 AM
> To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>
>
> Speaking of people distorting things, the phrase "worships at the 2A altar"
> could simply be rephrased as "follows the Constitution".  If you don't like
> the Second Amendment, there is a procedure that can be followed to repeal
> it.
>
> Paul
>
> On 03/08/2014 02:22 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>> Wrong, Gary -- it's only people like you who opt to distort things.
>> That survey captures ONLY those who *publicly* identify as LGBT:
>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.
>> aspx
>>
>> "As a group still subject to social stigma, many of those who identify
>> as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender may not be forthcoming about
>> this identity when asked about it in a survey. Therefore, it's likely
>> that some Americans in what is commonly referred to as "the closet"
>> would not be included in the estimates derived from the Gallup
>> interviews. Thus, the 3.4% estimate can best be represented as adult
>> Americans who publicly identify themselves as part of the LGBT community
> when asked in a survey context."
>> You know, kind of like inaccurate survey results about masturbation .
>> . . or survey results that report the average size of an unaroused male
> penis.
>> Sucks to be you.  Or all those surveys that proved . . . PROVED I tell you
> .
>> . . that marijuana use inevitably lead to harder drug use.
>>
>> Besides, does it matter whether it's 10%, 5%, 1%, or 0.1% of Americans
>> whose are denied equal protection of the Constitutional?  Not to me,
>> and it better not to someone like you who worships at the 2A alter.
>> While statistics show that that the number of guns owned per
>> individual has increased (due, IMO, to clear mental illness in the
>> form of paranoia), the percentage of households that own guns has
>> fallen below a majority (I think the 34% +/- 3% stat is likely pretty
>> accurate).  If you don't care that 10% of Americans are denied equal
>> protection, you'd better hope the rest of us don't share your rank
> hypocrisy and blatant disregard of the entire Constitution.
>> S
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 12:57 PM
>> To: Scott Dredge
>> Cc: viz
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>>
>> Nobody buys the old Kinsey report numbers any more. Please see:
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-
>> idea-h
>> ow-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
>>
>> g
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge
>> <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> The usual 10% or the same as whatever the statistical norm is of the
>>> the broader population unless there is some evidence to show that a
>>> higher proportion of gays are prone to enlisting in the military.
>>> Also, the time frame of Vietnam was the 'era of free love' and some
>>> people who would otherwise have felt pressured by their church and
>>> family to live a heterosexual lifestyle might have simply accepted
>>> that they were born gay given a more 'live and let live' environment
>>> outside areas of the Deep South and Mid-west.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 08:48:23 -0800
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>>>
>>> Of the 58,000+ names engraved on the Vietnam Memorial Wall, how many
>>> would you estimate belong to gay soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines?
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares"
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
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