[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Mon Mar 10 01:42:06 PDT 2014

What on earth makes you think I "don't like" the Second Amendment, Paul?
That's just plain silliness . . . and yet another distortion on your part,
Paul.  I won't even bother to express surprise or disappointment at your
false characterization.  This isn't the first time you've accused those of
us who have pointed out the lunacy of the gun nuts of being anti-2A -- I
guess you find it easier to do that than deal with the reality that the 2A
nuts are unreasonable.

It would, however, be fair to say that I "don't like" the perversion of the
Second Amendment by the likes of the new NRA, some GOPers, most tea baggers,
gun manufacturers, etc.  That perversion has found traction amongst the
least mentally stable amongst us, yet you just ignore that inconvenient
factoid. 

And, what I particularly "don't like" is that so many who worship at the 2A
alter are intentionally obtuse and stunningly silent about the rest of the
Constitution unless it's to rant & rave about doing away with the Fed,
getting rid of direct election of senators, justifying denying privacy with
respect to reproductive RIGHTS, justifying equal protection for ALL
Americans, etc.  

IOW, I find the rank hypocrisy of elevating 2A above everything else in the
Constitution to be offensive and mentally unbalanced.  And, it's
disingenuous -- at best -- for you to fail to make the distinction.  The
vast majority of those who worship at the 2A alter pick & choose what parts
of the Constitution they "like" and which parts they "don't like" whereas
people like me actually respect the entire thing.  

Saundra

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:54 AM
To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Speaking of people distorting things, the phrase "worships at the 2A altar"
could simply be rephrased as "follows the Constitution".  If you don't like
the Second Amendment, there is a procedure that can be followed to repeal
it.

Paul

On 03/08/2014 02:22 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
> Wrong, Gary -- it's only people like you who opt to distort things.  
> That survey captures ONLY those who *publicly* identify as LGBT:
> http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.
> aspx
>
> "As a group still subject to social stigma, many of those who identify 
> as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender may not be forthcoming about 
> this identity when asked about it in a survey. Therefore, it's likely 
> that some Americans in what is commonly referred to as "the closet" 
> would not be included in the estimates derived from the Gallup 
> interviews. Thus, the 3.4% estimate can best be represented as adult 
> Americans who publicly identify themselves as part of the LGBT community
when asked in a survey context."
>
> You know, kind of like inaccurate survey results about masturbation . 
> . . or survey results that report the average size of an unaroused male
penis.
> Sucks to be you.  Or all those surveys that proved . . . PROVED I tell you
.
> . . that marijuana use inevitably lead to harder drug use.
>
> Besides, does it matter whether it's 10%, 5%, 1%, or 0.1% of Americans 
> whose are denied equal protection of the Constitutional?  Not to me, 
> and it better not to someone like you who worships at the 2A alter.  
> While statistics show that that the number of guns owned per 
> individual has increased (due, IMO, to clear mental illness in the 
> form of paranoia), the percentage of households that own guns has 
> fallen below a majority (I think the 34% +/- 3% stat is likely pretty 
> accurate).  If you don't care that 10% of Americans are denied equal 
> protection, you'd better hope the rest of us don't share your rank
hypocrisy and blatant disregard of the entire Constitution.
>
> S
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 12:57 PM
> To: Scott Dredge
> Cc: viz
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>
> Nobody buys the old Kinsey report numbers any more. Please see:
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-
> idea-h
> ow-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
>
> g
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge 
> <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> The usual 10% or the same as whatever the statistical norm is of the 
>> the broader population unless there is some evidence to show that a 
>> higher proportion of gays are prone to enlisting in the military.
>> Also, the time frame of Vietnam was the 'era of free love' and some 
>> people who would otherwise have felt pressured by their church and 
>> family to live a heterosexual lifestyle might have simply accepted 
>> that they were born gay given a more 'live and let live' environment 
>> outside areas of the Deep South and Mid-west.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 08:48:23 -0800
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>>
>> Of the 58,000+ names engraved on the Vietnam Memorial Wall, how many 
>> would you estimate belong to gay soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines?
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
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