[Vision2020] Say What?

Wed Feb 26 02:15:06 PST 2014

Scott responds:

“Spot on.”

You’re kidding, right?  I can almost understand Paul’s desperate naiveté,
but not yours.

Sure, I can accept that years ago, you believed the Hotmail (Google, Yahoo,
Juno, or many others -- pick your fav) hype that they were providing “free”
email service in exchange for serving you ads – that would have put you in
the vast majority of people who didn’t have a clue, but surely you don’t
still believe that foolishness, do you?

For those who’ve not followed the privacy issues, the reality is that the
real cost of free services like Paul’s beloved Google – not to mention the
Yahoo he uses – is that you pay for that “free” service with your privacy,
and you’re flatly sticking your head in the sand if you believe otherwise.

Tom was actually the one who was “spot on,” and I know that really chaps
your hide, Scott, but too bad.  Statistically, you’re probably a million
times more likely to actually be negatively affected by data brokers than
you are by the metadata collected by NSA (do not confuse assertion with any
approval on my part of NSA’s activities).  I’ve posted before about the
stupidity of being hysterical about the NSA crap while remaining stunningly
mute about the bigger issue of Big Business’ (including insurance companies)
historic repeated, continued, and costly invasions of our privacy that we
have absolutely no protection from.

And, if you’re rightly (IMHO) concerned about the metadata NSA is hovering
up (which certainly isn’t something to ignore the way you & Paul have lulled
yourselves into some ignorant sense of false security with respect to Big
Business, including Google, that you are trying to peddle here), then you’re
showing your stupidity, as well as how far behind the times you are.  It’s
data aggregators & brokers like Acxiom, Experian, Datalogix, ChoicePoint and
the like that you should truly fear.

Just for giggles, I suggest you both spend some time exploring sites where
such data is sold & bought to see what you can find about yourselves, not
all of which is accurate (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt there).
>From a quick look & with very little money spent, I suspect you’d both feel
as though you’d been incredibly violated.  And, no – I won’t tell you where
to look.  Do the legwork yourselves to learn – really learn – about this
crap.

Or, have you been so paranoid about the despicable NSA abuses (IMHO) that
you’ve completely missed the ball on these things which are far, far more
likely to have a real, direct, and negative impact on your lives?

Feel free to remain soo two decades ago.

Feel free to remain part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
It’s just in France, Australia, the UK, Canada, etc. where Google has
violated privacy – not here, right?  I’ve got some ocean front property just
a few miles outside town for sale if you believe that crap  :) 

But, don’t be stupid enough to try to blame Tom for making the valid – and
very obvious to some of us – point when he calls you on your bull crap.

Saundra

Moscow, ID

I distrust those who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice
it always coincides with their own desires.

~ Susan B. Anthony

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:49 AM
To: Paul Rumelhart; Tom Hansen
Cc: viz
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

Spot on.

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:29:50 -0800
From: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
To: thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com> 
CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com <mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com> ;
vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 

First, I did not claim that I am OK with Google obtaining private and
personal information.  I merely made a joke.

Second, Google collects information I voluntarily give it, for the most
part.  Since I run NoScript and don't enable google analytics, they have a
tougher time following me around the net.  They also provide the ability to
delete what data they collect if I wish to do so.

The NSA, on the other hand, did not get any of my information from me
voluntarily.  They provide no means of finding out what information they
have collected, or any process by which you can delete it.  Furthermore, as
an agency of the government, they are only supposed to collect information
from me via a warrant and only when they have probable cause to do so,
Patriot Act be damned.

Paul

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From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com> >
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> > 
Cc: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com <mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

This comes as no surprise that the same people, here on the Viz, that
strongly criticized the NSA's security measures as invasion of privacy . . .
applaud a private corporation's ability to obtain private and personal
informaton without consent.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)

 <http://www.moscowcares.com/> http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.

But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,

If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
<mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> > wrote:

"Wouldn't surprise me.  Kurzwell is a visionary and is very knowledgeable
about where the AI technology is today and can extrapolate where it will be
in the future.  It will be able to quickly process and comprehend decades of
viz2020 archive posts."

Which leads nicely into the topic of whether or not an AI Google should have
rights.  I would consider having to comprehend decades of viz2020 archive
posts to be a cruel and unusual punishment for a sentient machine.

Paul

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From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com <mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com> >; viz
<vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

With context:

Kurzweil believes that Google will soon "know the answer to your question
before you have asked it. It will have read every email you've ever written,
every document, every idle thought you've ever tapped into a search-engine
box. It will know you better than your intimate partner does. Better,
perhaps, than even yourself." 

Wouldn't surprise me.  Kurzwell is a visionary and is very knowledgeable
about where the AI technology is today and can extrapolate where it will be
in the future.  It will be able to quickly process and comprehend decades of
viz2020 archive posts.

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From: thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com> 
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 02:52:31 -0800
To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?

"It will know you better than your intimate partner does. Better, perhaps,
than even yourself."

- Ray Kurzweil on the future of Google, where he serves as director of
engineering.

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No need to be concerned.  Right, V-Peeps?

As NSA woukd suggest . . .

This conversation is not being recorded.  Just speak loudly, distinctly, and
directly to the pencil sharpener.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)

 <http://www.moscowcares.com/> http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still.

But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,

If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

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