[Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challening issues)

Thu Dec 4 13:35:08 PST 2014

My mother called me late for supper once. This was in 1963 so mature
society did not exist. None the less my feelings were hurt.

g

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I didn't even know was an issue, but now that it's been pointed out, I'll
> adjust accordingly.  In your case, it's much easier to type 'Paul' than the
> more expanded 'Mr. Rumelhart'.  My favorite is Gary's signature of  'g'.
> You can't get much easier than that (one lowercase letter on the home row
> of the QWERTY keyboard).  And, of course, Mr. Hansen has referred to him as
> 'crabs' so go figure the whole 'mature society' angle.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:47:42 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challening issues)
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> I'm replying to Scott's message, because I can't find Tom's original
> message.  Tom wrote:
>
> "Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?"
>
> It's funny how often cultural differences can spring up in conversations.
> In the small town where I grew up (a small town in Idaho with a communist
> sounding name: Moscow) calling someone by their first name was usually an
> indication that your relationship with that person has grown close enough
> that you can dispense with the formalities.  Unless you are in an actual
> service relationship with someone, calling someone by their first name was
> usually seen as a positive thing. In fact, having someone call you by your
> formal name usually meant that they either thought they had some kind of
> power over you or they wanted to distance themselves from you and thus put
> up that barrier.  YMMV.
>
> Of course, I know that Tom thinks it means that I am disrespecting him, so
> I will call him "Mr. Hansen" when I'm addressing him.  If I am talking
> about him with someone else or just in general, I'll still go ahead and
> call him "Tom".  We all know who we mean.
>
> Paul  <-- notice how I almost outright request that people call me by my
> informal name?
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> thansen at moscow.com writes:
> <Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?>
>
> OK, well you're certainly the master of maturity as everyone knows.
> You've also reminded us repeatedly (as your prone to doing) that 'during my
> twenty years in the Army, I have been called everything but Tom'.  I guess
> they were going out of their way not to offend you.
>
> Back to the original topic, you don't believe Wilson called for backup.
> And further, in the likely even that he did call for backup, you're
> wondering why he didn't wait for backup.   The reason is because police
> officer don't sit around waiting for backup while they're pursuing the bad
> guys.  They're just calling for reinforcements.  Here's an article about
> the vagueness of the role of backup officers.  It talks about a case where
> an officer didn't draw his weapon and wound up dead.  Dead suspect vs dead
> cop.  Take your pick.  This is another reason why I'm against prosecuting
> cops unless there is clear and convincing evidence of wrongdoing and / or a
> history of bad behavior.  Aside from that, prosecuting cops gives criminals
> more power and the number of dead cops will rise.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/nyregion/in-new-york-few-formal-rules-for-backup-police-officers.html?_r=0
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:44:07 -0800
> CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>
> Mr. Dredge tells us . .
>
> "He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired."
>
> Two things, Mr. Dredge . . .
>
> - This is the first I have heard or read about Officer Wilson calling for
> a backup . . . when confronting unarmed Brown.  If, however, Wilson did
> call for backup twice (as you say), WHY DIDN'T HE WAIT FOR BACKUP TO ARRIVE
> BEFORE HE SHOT AND KILLED (unarmed) BROWN???
> ?????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> - I am not referring to "backup", Mr. Dredge.  I am suggesting that
> Officer Wilson should have contacted another police unit in the area and
> passed Brown's description and direction to them, ultimately leading to
> Brown's capture, NOT DEATH !
>
> Perhaps, if Officer Wilson had done as I suggested above, there is a 99%
> chance that (unarmed) Brown would still be alive.
>
> As I have stated before . . . My father was a police officer for the Los
> Angeles Police Department for 36 years.  The ONLY time he EVER drew his
> weapon was at the pistol range.
>
> Sidebar:  In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired.
>
>
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