[Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challening issues)

Paul Rumelhart paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
Thu Dec 4 12:03:17 PST 2014

The whole list is welcome to call me "Paul".  That's why I sign my posts
that way.  I was called "Rumble Fish" by my friends at the Naval Academy,
among other more colorful names, and I'm often called "Shatter" in various
online communities since I've used the online alias "godshatter" a lot, but
"Paul" is what I am most used to.


On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>

> I didn't even know was an issue, but now that it's been pointed out, I'll
> adjust accordingly.  In your case, it's much easier to type 'Paul' than the
> more expanded 'Mr. Rumelhart'.  My favorite is Gary's signature of  'g'.
> You can't get much easier than that (one lowercase letter on the home row
> of the QWERTY keyboard).  And, of course, Mr. Hansen has referred to him as
> 'crabs' so go figure the whole 'mature society' angle.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:47:42 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challening issues)
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> I'm replying to Scott's message, because I can't find Tom's original
> message.  Tom wrote:
> "Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?"
> It's funny how often cultural differences can spring up in conversations.
> In the small town where I grew up (a small town in Idaho with a communist
> sounding name: Moscow) calling someone by their first name was usually an
> indication that your relationship with that person has grown close enough
> that you can dispense with the formalities.  Unless you are in an actual
> service relationship with someone, calling someone by their first name was
> usually seen as a positive thing. In fact, having someone call you by your
> formal name usually meant that they either thought they had some kind of
> power over you or they wanted to distance themselves from you and thus put
> up that barrier.  YMMV.
> Of course, I know that Tom thinks it means that I am disrespecting him, so
> I will call him "Mr. Hansen" when I'm addressing him.  If I am talking
> about him with someone else or just in general, I'll still go ahead and
> call him "Tom".  We all know who we mean.
> Paul  <-- notice how I almost outright request that people call me by my
> informal name?
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> thansen at moscow.com writes:
> <Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?>
> OK, well you're certainly the master of maturity as everyone knows.
> You've also reminded us repeatedly (as your prone to doing) that 'during my
> twenty years in the Army, I have been called everything but Tom'.  I guess
> they were going out of their way not to offend you.
> Back to the original topic, you don't believe Wilson called for backup.
> And further, in the likely even that he did call for backup, you're
> wondering why he didn't wait for backup.   The reason is because police
> officer don't sit around waiting for backup while they're pursuing the bad
> guys.  They're just calling for reinforcements.  Here's an article about
> the vagueness of the role of backup officers.  It talks about a case where
> an officer didn't draw his weapon and wound up dead.  Dead suspect vs dead
> cop.  Take your pick.  This is another reason why I'm against prosecuting
> cops unless there is clear and convincing evidence of wrongdoing and / or a
> history of bad behavior.  Aside from that, prosecuting cops gives criminals
> more power and the number of dead cops will rise.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/nyregion/in-new-york-few-formal-rules-for-backup-police-officers.html?_r=0
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:44:07 -0800
> CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> Mr. Dredge tells us . .
> "He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired."
> Two things, Mr. Dredge . . .
> - This is the first I have heard or read about Officer Wilson calling for
> a backup . . . when confronting unarmed Brown.  If, however, Wilson did
> call for backup twice (as you say), WHY DIDN'T HE WAIT FOR BACKUP TO ARRIVE
> ?????????????????????????????????????????????
> - I am not referring to "backup", Mr. Dredge.  I am suggesting that
> Officer Wilson should have contacted another police unit in the area and
> passed Brown's description and direction to them, ultimately leading to
> Brown's capture, NOT DEATH !
> Perhaps, if Officer Wilson had done as I suggested above, there is a 99%
> chance that (unarmed) Brown would still be alive.
> As I have stated before . . . My father was a police officer for the Los
> Angeles Police Department for 36 years.  The ONLY time he EVER drew his
> weapon was at the pistol range.
> Sidebar:  In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> - John Lennon
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired.
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