[Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challenging issues)

Thu Dec 4 11:59:18 PST 2014

Special exemptions come in to play because roles involved.  If Darren Wilson was not in law enforcement, he might very well have been indicted for involuntary manslaughter or something else.  It's his job to arrest criminals.  Anyone can play Tuesday morning quarterback on this one say 'if only this...' and 'Wilson shoulda, coulda, woulda...'.  I can probably site a dozen or more instances of where I should have reacted differently in a situation.  It's easy to look with 20/20 vision after the fact and say 'but he wasn't armed' and 'he had his hands up' and whatnot.  It's not so easy when you're tangled up in a fight, the situation escalates, and shots are already being fired.

From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:12:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challenging issues)

'This is another reason why I'm against prosecuting cops unless there is 
clear and convincing evidence of wrongdoing and / or a history of bad 
behavior.  Aside from that, prosecuting cops gives criminals more power 
and the number of dead cops will rise.'

I disagree completely. If you're going to use that standard for cops, use it for everyone. No special exemption for one group of people. 

That twelve year-old in Cleveland wasn't a criminal and wasn't about to kill any cops. I'm not saying that was murder, but that incident should get the same scrutiny it would if you or I killed him.

Sunil

From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
To: thansen at moscow.com
CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Sidebar? (Was RE: Challening issues)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:14:58 -0700

thansen at moscow.com writes:
<Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?>

OK, well you're certainly the master of maturity as everyone knows.  You've also reminded us repeatedly (as your prone to doing) that 'during my twenty years in the Army, I have been called everything but Tom'.  I guess they were going out of their way not to offend you.

Back to the original topic, you don't believe Wilson called for backup.  And further, in the likely even that he did call for backup, you're wondering why he didn't wait for backup.   The reason is because police officer don't sit around waiting for backup while they're pursuing the bad guys.  They're just calling for reinforcements.  Here's an article about the vagueness of the role of backup officers.  It talks about a case where an officer didn't draw his weapon and wound up dead.  Dead suspect vs dead cop.  Take your pick.  This is another reason why I'm against prosecuting cops unless there is clear and convincing evidence of wrongdoing and / or a history of bad behavior.  Aside from that, prosecuting cops gives criminals more power and the number of dead cops will rise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/nyregion/in-new-york-few-formal-rules-for-backup-police-officers.html?_r=0

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:44:07 -0800
CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com

Mr. Dredge tells us . . 
"He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the suspects and again after shots were fired."
Two things, Mr. Dredge . . .
- This is the first I have heard or read about Officer Wilson calling for a backup . . . when confronting unarmed Brown.  If, however, Wilson did call for backup twice (as you say), WHY DIDN'T HE WAIT FOR BACKUP TO ARRIVE BEFORE HE SHOT AND KILLED (unarmed) BROWN????????????????????????????????????????????????
- I am not referring to "backup", Mr. Dredge.  I am suggesting that Officer Wilson should have contacted another police unit in the area and passed Brown's description and direction to them, ultimately leading to Brown's capture, NOT DEATH !
Perhaps, if Officer Wilson had done as I suggested above, there is a 99% chance that (unarmed) Brown would still be alive.
As I have stated before . . . My father was a police officer for the Los Angeles Police Department for 36 years.  The ONLY time he EVER drew his weapon was at the pistol range.
Sidebar:  In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?
Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still.But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon  
On Nov 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the suspects and again after shots were fired. 		 	   		  

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