[Vision2020] Sidebar? (Was RE: Challening issues)

[Paul Rumelhart]

I'm replying to Scott's message, because I can't find Tom's original
message.  Tom wrote:

"Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?"

It's funny how often cultural differences can spring up in conversations.
In the small town where I grew up (a small town in Idaho with a communist
sounding name: Moscow) calling someone by their first name was usually an
indication that your relationship with that person has grown close enough
that you can dispense with the formalities.  Unless you are in an actual
service relationship with someone, calling someone by their first name was
usually seen as a positive thing. In fact, having someone call you by your
formal name usually meant that they either thought they had some kind of
power over you or they wanted to distance themselves from you and thus put
up that barrier.  YMMV.

Of course, I know that Tom thinks it means that I am disrespecting him, so
I will call him "Mr. Hansen" when I'm addressing him.  If I am talking
about him with someone else or just in general, I'll still go ahead and
call him "Tom".  We all know who we mean.

Paul  <-- notice how I almost outright request that people call me by my
informal name?

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> thansen at moscow.com writes:
> <Sidebar: In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?>
>
> OK, well you're certainly the master of maturity as everyone knows.
> You've also reminded us repeatedly (as your prone to doing) that 'during my
> twenty years in the Army, I have been called everything but Tom'.  I guess
> they were going out of their way not to offend you.
>
> Back to the original topic, you don't believe Wilson called for backup.
> And further, in the likely even that he did call for backup, you're
> wondering why he didn't wait for backup.   The reason is because police
> officer don't sit around waiting for backup while they're pursuing the bad
> guys.  They're just calling for reinforcements.  Here's an article about
> the vagueness of the role of backup officers.  It talks about a case where
> an officer didn't draw his weapon and wound up dead.  Dead suspect vs dead
> cop.  Take your pick.  This is another reason why I'm against prosecuting
> cops unless there is clear and convincing evidence of wrongdoing and / or a
> history of bad behavior.  Aside from that, prosecuting cops gives criminals
> more power and the number of dead cops will rise.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/nyregion/in-new-york-few-formal-rules-for-backup-police-officers.html?_r=0
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:44:07 -0800
> CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>
> Mr. Dredge tells us . .
>
> "He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired."
>
> Two things, Mr. Dredge . . .
>
> - This is the first I have heard or read about Officer Wilson calling for
> a backup . . . when confronting unarmed Brown.  If, however, Wilson did
> call for backup twice (as you say), WHY DIDN'T HE WAIT FOR BACKUP TO ARRIVE
> BEFORE HE SHOT AND KILLED (unarmed) BROWN???
> ?????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> - I am not referring to "backup", Mr. Dredge.  I am suggesting that
> Officer Wilson should have contacted another police unit in the area and
> passed Brown's description and direction to them, ultimately leading to
> Brown's capture, NOT DEATH !
>
> Perhaps, if Officer Wilson had done as I suggested above, there is a 99%
> chance that (unarmed) Brown would still be alive.
>
> As I have stated before . . . My father was a police officer for the Los
> Angeles Police Department for 36 years.  The ONLY time he EVER drew his
> weapon was at the pistol range.
>
> Sidebar:  In a mature society, people ask permission before addressing
> somebody by their first name.  OK, Mr. Dredge?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired.
>
>
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