[Vision2020] NSA Popping the Technology Bubble

Paul Rumelhart paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
Wed Aug 6 14:40:07 PDT 2014

I thank Snowden for catching them with their hands in the cookie jar.  He
doesn't bear responsibility (in my opinion) for the pushback our country is
seeing from foreign interests based on what was released, responsibility
resides with those who thought it was a good idea in the first place.

They could have followed the rules and only spied on people involved in an
actual investigation who weren't US citizens in-country, but they had to go
completely overboard.  That's their real problem, as I see it.  They
decided that they couldn't know who was a terrorist so they felt they had
to assume that everyone was one and act accordingly.


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>

> Does Eric Snowden get any thanks as well for this supposed $180B in lost
> revenue?  Seems he should at least get partial credit for getting the word
> out.  It's not unprecedented that entire companies have gone belly up when
> their secrets have been revealed to the outside world as well.  This is why
> Apple plays their cards so close to the vest.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:09:12 -0700
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] NSA Popping the Technology Bubble
> An estimated $180B in lost revenues to US technology firms, with more on
> the way.  Thank you, NSA.Paul
> From:
> http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/NSA-US-data-revenue/2014/08/06/id/587145/
> NSA Popping the Technology Bubble
> Wednesday, 06 Aug 2014 08:24 AM
> By Patrick Watson <http://www.newsmax.com/Insiders/PatrickWatson/id-167>
> Whatever you think about Edward Snowden, there is no doubt his revelations
> from inside the National Security Agency (NSA) rocked the technology
> sector. The consequences are still unfolding more than a year later — and a
> new independent report says much more is coming.
> U.S. technology leaders like Microsoft (MSFT), Cisco (CSCO) and
> International Business Machines (IBM) are in a nearly impossible position.
> They have to tolerate whatever secret "requests" the U.S. government makes,
> both for legal reasons and because Uncle Sam is a huge customer.
> At the same time, they need overseas revenue to meet their growth targets,
> and it is practically impossible to convince foreign leaders that their
> sensitive data is safe and secure in American hands.
> Cisco, for example, openly admitted last year that Snowden was a big
> reason for the firm's 10 percent revenue drop. The situation hasn't
> improved since then. Qualcomm (QCOM), IBM, Microsoft and others all blame
> the "Snowden effect" for lost business in China
> <http://www.moneynews.com/PatrickWatson/China-Russia-US-trade/2014/05/28/id/573678/>
> .
> Even some U.S. allies are turning their backs on our technology firms. The
> German government cancelled a data services contract with Verizon (VZ) in
> June because it no longer trusts the company to protect its network from
> NSA spying.
> Brazil awarded a $4.5 billion contract for fighter jets to Sweden's Saab
> instead of Boeing (BA), which had fought hard to win the job.
> Last week, the New America Open Technology Institute released a report
> outlining the economic damage of NSA spying. They make an important point
> that many observers overlook. The *perception* that U.S. companies
> cooperate with the NSA is just as important as the reality.
> Whether these companies knew what NSA was doing or cooperated really
> doesn't matter. What matters is that a good portion of the world is rightly
> suspicious of them. Regaining the lost trust will take years, even decades.
> Meanwhile, foreign competitors wasted no time exploiting this new
> perception
> <http://www.moneynews.com/PatrickWatson/Brazil-NSA-tech-network/2014/05/21/id/572521/>.
> In some cases, their own governments are pushing them along with "data
> localization" requirements. Brazil, Germany, Russia, India, Greece and
> others are moving to require private data stay within their borders.
> The once-open Internet is fragmenting into smaller pieces that cannot
> operate with the global scale U.S. leaders envisioned. Our government's
> insane drive to penetrate every network in the world is making the world
> slam the door in our face.
> One could argue that this is a small cost if it protects the United States
> from terrorism. We can't know if it does or not. We can know that the
> direct costs to the U.S. economy are enormous and growing. The technology
> sector is our crown jewel — and now most of the world is looking elsewhere.
> The result will be slower growth for U.S. tech companies, especially the
> cloud-computing segment. Some estimates peg the amount of lost revenue at
> as much as $180 billion during the next three years.
> The NSA might be good enough to find the proverbial needle in a haystack.
> Unfortunately, it looks like they will use it to pop our own homegrown
> bubble.
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