[Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

Wed Aug 6 12:52:52 PDT 2014

Nobody is destroying anything.  An opinion was posted, some people felt
likewise.

Nothing is stopping Tom from regaling us with Caturday posts and
photoshopped Doug Wilson pictures.

Paul

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:39 AM, NANCE CECCARELLI <nancec at wildblue.net>
wrote:

> Wow and good morning to all the V-peeps!  Must be the heat and smoke
> making you folks cranky and crazy.
>
> I've obviously missed a ton of reading over the weekend...most of which
> includes multiple posts about "changing the name" of the LISTSERVE.  A time
> back, folks used to take the extended ninny-nit-picking-nuanced discussions
> off-list and among those who were interested.
>
> I'd rather read (or at least have an opportunity to read) a variety of
> topics - and if only one member is taking the time to post such things,
> then fine.  IMHO, that is preferable to seeing a non-stop string of whining
> with very little variation in the whine about a single topic.
>
> This group ebbs and flows, but how about returning to the intelligent
> discussions, and fluffernutter ones, too, concerning all sorts of things.
> I especially love seeing the Moscow/Latah/Palouse-centric stuff - doesn't
> matter to me it if is news, politics, opinion, color, interest, recipes,
> photos, whatever...
>
> Please don't destroy a valuable connection here, by one or two of you
> unhappy with certain posts.  I've found that most of us are open to a bit
> of construction criticism and then self-censor when approached off-line.
> Let's remember our manners, not just the rules alone.
>
> Now, off to wage a war of words in a different county!
>
> nc
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Debi,
>>
>> So is that the standard to ignore an agreement the rest of us made? Or
>> does it excuse some of the things he posts?
>>
>> I am not trying to drive him away. I would like to see him follow the
>> rules the rest of us try to follow out of consideration for this community.
>>
>> I appreciate the good things he does in the community, but I don't view
>> that as a license to do anything he feels like doing.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: debismith at moscow.com
>> To: keim153 at gmail.com; lfalen at turbonet.com
>> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:32:19 -0700
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>>
>> Well, if ya'll have something to say, I suggest you say it. Tom posts
>> community news, national info, and international info. You all never post
>> unless you are hammering Tom.  Tom puts his *money *where his mouth is,
>> supports local causes, and keeps the community informed. And you did
>> F---ing what? Beat up Tom? Whoohoo for you....Until you all do the
>> community service with the $$ to back it, I'm thinking you might just shut
>> the ghekll up! Just sayin',,,Maybe I'm not aware of your contributions to
>> the food bank, your assistance with diversity initiatives, your presence
>> and filming at community events. I may not have seen you at local art
>> shows, at food collection points, at anti- or-pro whatever protests, but
>> Tom was there. At all of them. If he wants to post 290 times per day, so be
>> it....you all don't post unless it is a response to Tom. Get a clue, dudes.
>> It's so easy to lash back, but it is difficult to make a reasoned argument
>> when faced with the facts Tom posts.
>>
>> Perhaps he can consolidate his posts, and perhaps some are too cute to
>> appeal to you----you are grown-ups. Delete is an option.Get over yourself,
>> post something substantial, be grown-ups for a minute!
>>
>> Tired of you Ninny Teas!  Who pours? The most "put out Ninny" of the "Tea
>> Party"? Stop being assine if you want some credibility. Words too big for
>> you? How about "Just Shut until up you have ANYTHING of substance to say,
>> you Bozos"?
>>
>> Rant done...
>> Debi R-S
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:05 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>>
>> That s been my general policy, Roger.  9 posts before 9am?  C'mon!  This
>> is not Tom's personal blog. Many of his posts would be perfect Facebook
>> fodder-which he uses comparatively little.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have not checked the vision for a couple  of days, so have missed  some
>> of this discussion. Granted Tom posts a lot, but if you are not interested
>> just delete them. I delete most of the Farmers Market, Human Toll, and
>> Christ Church Posts. I am hit and miss on Caturday. It depends on how much
>> time I have. But in general like the posts. As a member of FIRE I advocate
>> a free and open discussion. I post things from The Smithsonian, Scientific
>> American, Discover Magazine, National Geographic, White Pine Native Plant
>> Society, Stuff from Nutrition Publications and Food Safety. They are
>> probably not of interest to lot of people. Hopefully they are to some. Use
>> the delete key if you aren't interested
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
>> To: "Darrell Keim" <keim153 at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Date: 08/02/14 11:51
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>>
>>
>> Good topic to bring up - thanks, Darrell!
>>
>> Well, that's one proposal.
>>
>> My proposal is that we all get back to honoring the idea of limiting our
>> posts to three per day. Given the fact that there was a day in July when I
>> myself didn't honor that, I realize I'm at risk of someone bringing an
>> analogy about the pots & kettles to my attention <g>.
>>
>> However, the "try to limit your posts to three a day" has, for the most
>> part, worked for years & years & years, and my hope is that it will work
>> again because I'm attached to this name!
>>
>> I could be wrong, but I don't think most folks mind when individuals
>> *occasionally* go over three posts a day when actually engaged in an
>> active discussion, particularly about local issues. I also think folks are
>> more tolerant when infrequent posters engage in actual discussions go over
>> three posts in a day, whether about local issues or not.
>>
>> BTW, something *I* really miss are the discussions about *local* issues.
>> Over time, they have become fewer and further between here, it seems to me.
>> I know for me personally, I don't bring up many local issues anymore since
>> I no longer subscribe to a local newspaper, so I'd appreciate learning
>> about local issues I might otherwise be unaware of from discussion here.
>>
>> I think keeping to three posts a day should be something relatively
>> simple to do, too. Since Darrell brought up Tom's posts, I took a look and
>> Tom could pretty easily just combine things into one post. For instance,
>> the three Farmer's Market posts today could have been combined into one,
>> and the three mp3 posts could have been combined into one, yes?
>>
>> So, that's my vote: let's get back to trying to keep our posts to three
>> per day.
>>
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> Compassion is the basis of all morality.
>> ~ Arthur Schopenhuaer
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>  *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of* Darrell Keim
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 10:41 AM
>> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>>
>>  I opened up my email this morning at 9am to 8 emails from Tom Hansen.
>>
>>  And the day is just getting started.
>>
>>  This made me curious.  How much does Tom post?  So I looked at
>> yesterday: 7 emails.  Thursday: 8 emails.  I stopped there.
>>
>>  In light of this, I propose a name change.  Instead of "Moscow Vision
>> 2020" I propose "Hansen's Moscow 24/7."
>>
>>  All in favor?
>>
>>
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