[Vision2020] Changing the name of V2020

Wed Aug 6 08:07:20 PDT 2014

Suddenly this list is a lot less interesting. Thanks a bunch.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Washington man set on fire by wife now faces sex    crime
      charge (Saundra Lund)
   2. Re: Proposal: Change Listserv Name (deb)

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:14:54 -0700
From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
To: "'Scott Dredge'" <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>, "'viz'"
    <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Washington man set on fire by wife now faces
    sex    crime    charge
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Huh - I didn't see bail mentioned in the article, but if it is $500,000,
that leaves me even more confused about the low bail amounts for the two who
allegedly starved a veteran to death over a prolonged period of time.  One
of the two is a convicted felon who has numerous probation violations (and
several other alleged bad acts that he wasn't violated for) including moving
without notifying his PO.

I know the WA case is a sample of only one, but could it be that WA takes
violent crimes - even against alleged child molesters - seriously while ID
doesn't?

Honestly, the more criminal cases I've looked at in Idaho (which I freely
admit is just a drop in the bucket), the more it seems to me the so-called
criminal justice system here really is FUBAR, at least when the
victim/survivor is a person rather than property.  The judicial branch's
actions remind me of those lazy bad parents who always threaten to lower the
boom but never really follow through.  Is it any wonder, then, recidivism
rates are so high?

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

It's a matter of taking the side if the weak against the strong, something
the best people have always done.

~ Harriet Beecher Stowe

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 2:24 PM
To: viz
Subject: [Vision2020] Washington man set on fire by wife now faces sex crime
charge

Apparently the wife's bail is set at $500,000.

'...detectives said they are recommending that [the crispy creep] be charged
with first-degree child molestation.'

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Police-Man-set-on-fire-by-wife-now-faces-
sex-crime-charges-269377691.html

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:32:19 -0700
From: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>
To: "Darrell Keim" <keim153 at gmail.com>, "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
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Well, if ya'll have something to say, I suggest you say it. Tom posts community news, national info, and international info. You all never post unless you are hammering Tom.  Tom puts his money where his mouth is, supports local causes, and keeps the community informed. And you did F---ing what? Beat up Tom? Whoohoo for you....Until you all do the community service with the $$ to back it, I'm thinking you might just shut the ghekll up! Just sayin',,,Maybe I'm not aware of your contributions to the food bank, your assistance with diversity initiatives, your presence and filming at community events. I may not have seen you at local art shows, at food collection points, at anti- or-pro whatever protests, but Tom was there. At all of them. If he wants to post 290 times per day, so be it....you all don't post unless it is a response to Tom. Get a clue, dudes. It's so easy to lash back, but it is difficult to make a reasoned argument when faced with the facts
 Tom posts. 

Perhaps he can consolidate his posts, and perhaps some are too cute to appeal to you----you are grown-ups. Delete is an option.Get over yourself, post something substantial, be grown-ups for a minute! 

Tired of you Ninny Teas!  Who pours? The most "put out Ninny" of the "Tea Party"? Stop being assine if you want some credibility. Words too big for you? How about "Just Shut until up you have ANYTHING of substance to say, you Bozos"?

Rant done...
Debi R-S

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darrell Keim 
  To: lfalen 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

  That s been my general policy, Roger.  9 posts before 9am?  C'mon!  This is not Tom's personal blog. Many of his posts would be perfect Facebook fodder-which he uses comparatively little.

  On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

    I have not checked the vision for a couple  of days, so have missed  some of this discussion. Granted Tom posts a lot, but if you are not interested just delete them. I delete most of the Farmers Market, Human Toll, and Christ Church Posts. I am hit and miss on Caturday. It depends on how much time I have. But in general like the posts. As a member of FIRE I advocate a free and open discussion. I post things from The Smithsonian, Scientific American, Discover Magazine, National Geographic, White Pine Native Plant Society, Stuff from Nutrition Publications and Food Safety. They are probably not of interest to lot of people. Hopefully they are to some. Use the delete key if you aren't interested

    Roger

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      From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
      To: "Darrell Keim" <keim153 at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
      Date: 08/02/14 11:51
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

      Good topic to bring up - thanks, Darrell!

      Well, that's one proposal.

      My proposal is that we all get back to honoring the idea of limiting our posts to three per day. Given the fact that there was a day in July when I myself didn't honor that, I realize I'm at risk of someone bringing an analogy about the pots & kettles to my attention <g>.

      However, the "try to limit your posts to three a day" has, for the most part, worked for years & years & years, and my hope is that it will work again because I'm attached to this name!

      I could be wrong, but I don't think most folks mind when individuals occasionally go over three posts a day when actually engaged in an active discussion, particularly about local issues. I also think folks are more tolerant when infrequent posters engage in actual discussions go over three posts in a day, whether about local issues or not.

      BTW, something I really miss are the discussions about local issues. Over time, they have become fewer and further between here, it seems to me. I know for me personally, I don't bring up many local issues anymore since I no longer subscribe to a local newspaper, so I'd appreciate learning about local issues I might otherwise be unaware of from discussion here.

      I think keeping to three posts a day should be something relatively simple to do, too. Since Darrell brought up Tom's posts, I took a look and Tom could pretty easily just combine things into one post. For instance, the three Farmer's Market posts today could have been combined into one, and the three mp3 posts could have been combined into one, yes?

      So, that's my vote: let's get back to trying to keep our posts to three per day.

      Saundra Lund
      Moscow, ID

      Compassion is the basis of all morality.
      ~ Arthur Schopenhuaer

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       From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Keim
      Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 10:41 AM
      To: vision2020 at moscow.com
      Subject: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name 

      I opened up my email this morning at 9am to 8 emails from Tom Hansen. 

      And the day is just getting started. 

      This made me curious.  How much does Tom post?  So I looked at yesterday: 7 emails.  Thursday: 8 emails.  I stopped there.

      In light of this, I propose a name change.  Instead of "Moscow Vision 2020" I propose "Hansen's Moscow 24/7."

      All in favor?

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