<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Suddenly this list is a lot less interesting. Thanks a bunch.<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "vision2020-request@moscow.com" <vision2020-request@moscow.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Vision2020 Digest, Vol 98, Issue 30<br> </font>
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digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Washington man set on fire by wife now faces sex crime<br> charge (Saundra Lund)<br> 2. Re: Proposal: Change Listserv Name (deb)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:14:54 -0700<br>From: "Saundra Lund" <<a ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br>To: "'Scott Dredge'" <<a ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>>, "'viz'"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Washington man set on fire by wife now faces<br> sex crime charge<br>Message-ID:
<034c01cfaf9a$a615baa0$f2412fe0$@ssl1.fastmail.fm><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Huh - I didn't see bail mentioned in the article, but if it is $500,000,<br>that leaves me even more confused about the low bail amounts for the two who<br>allegedly starved a veteran to death over a prolonged period of time. One<br>of the two is a convicted felon who has numerous probation violations (and<br>several other alleged bad acts that he wasn't violated for) including moving<br>without notifying his PO.<br><br> <br><br>I know the WA case is a sample of only one, but could it be that WA takes<br>violent crimes - even against alleged child molesters - seriously while ID<br>doesn't?<br><br> <br><br>Honestly, the more criminal cases I've looked at in Idaho (which I freely<br>admit is just a drop in the bucket), the more it seems to me the so-called<br>criminal justice system here really is FUBAR, at least when
the<br>victim/survivor is a person rather than property. The judicial branch's<br>actions remind me of those lazy bad parents who always threaten to lower the<br>boom but never really follow through. Is it any wonder, then, recidivism<br>rates are so high?<br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Saundra Lund<br><br>Moscow, ID<br><br> <br><br>It's a matter of taking the side if the weak against the strong, something<br>the best people have always done.<br><br>~ Harriet Beecher Stowe<br><br> <br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>On Behalf Of Scott Dredge<br>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 2:24 PM<br>To: viz<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Washington man set on fire by wife now faces sex crime<br>charge<br><br>
<br><br>Apparently the wife's bail is set at $500,000.<br><br>'...detectives said they are recommending that [the crispy creep] be charged<br>with first-degree child molestation.'<br><br><a href="http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Police-Man-set-on-fire-by-wife-now-faces-" target="_blank">http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Police-Man-set-on-fire-by-wife-now-faces-</a><br>sex-crime-charges-269377691.html<br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20140803/e35964fc/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20140803/e35964fc/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:32:19 -0700<br>From: "deb" <<a ymailto="mailto:debismith@moscow.com" href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</a>><br>To:
"Darrell Keim" <<a ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>>, "lfalen" <<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:BAAAC0932F584849A78DA5FB02BB9220@DebiPC" href="mailto:BAAAC0932F584849A78DA5FB02BB9220@DebiPC">BAAAC0932F584849A78DA5FB02BB9220@DebiPC</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Well, if ya'll have something to say, I suggest you say it. Tom posts community news, national info, and international info. You all never post unless you are hammering Tom. Tom puts his money where his mouth is, supports local causes, and keeps the community informed. And you did F---ing what? Beat up Tom? Whoohoo for
you....Until you all do the community service with the $$ to back it, I'm thinking you might just shut the ghekll up! Just sayin',,,Maybe I'm not aware of your contributions to the food bank, your assistance with diversity initiatives, your presence and filming at community events. I may not have seen you at local art shows, at food collection points, at anti- or-pro whatever protests, but Tom was there. At all of them. If he wants to post 290 times per day, so be it....you all don't post unless it is a response to Tom. Get a clue, dudes. It's so easy to lash back, but it is difficult to make a reasoned argument when faced with the facts Tom posts. <br><br>Perhaps he can consolidate his posts, and perhaps some are too cute to appeal to you----you are grown-ups. Delete is an option.Get over yourself, post something substantial, be grown-ups for a minute! <br><br>Tired of you Ninny Teas! Who pours? The most "put out Ninny" of the "Tea Party"? Stop
being assine if you want some credibility. Words too big for you? How about "Just Shut until up you have ANYTHING of substance to say, you Bozos"?<br><br>Rant done...<br>Debi R-S<br><br><br><br><br> ----- Original Message ----- <br> From: Darrell Keim <br> To: lfalen <br> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:05 PM<br> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name<br><br><br> That s been my general policy, Roger. 9 posts before 9am? C'mon! This is not Tom's personal blog. Many of his posts would be perfect Facebook fodder-which he uses comparatively little.<br><br><br><br> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM, lfalen <<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br><br> <br> I have not
checked the vision for a couple of days, so have missed some of this discussion. Granted Tom posts a lot, but if you are not interested just delete them. I delete most of the Farmers Market, Human Toll, and Christ Church Posts. I am hit and miss on Caturday. It depends on how much time I have. But in general like the posts. As a member of FIRE I advocate a free and open discussion. I post things from The Smithsonian, Scientific American, Discover Magazine, National Geographic, White Pine Native Plant Society, Stuff from Nutrition Publications and Food Safety. They are probably not of interest to lot of people. Hopefully they are to some. Use the delete key if you aren't interested<br><br><br> Roger<br> <br><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: "Saundra Lund" <<a
ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br> To: "Darrell Keim" <<a ymailto="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>>, <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br> Date: 08/02/14 11:51<br> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name<br><br><br> <br> Good topic to bring up - thanks, Darrell!<br><br> Well, that's one proposal.<br><br> My proposal is that we all get back to honoring the idea of limiting our posts to three per day. Given the fact that there was a day in July when I myself didn't honor that, I realize I'm at risk of someone bringing an analogy about the pots & kettles to my attention <g>.<br><br>
However, the "try to limit your posts to three a day" has, for the most part, worked for years & years & years, and my hope is that it will work again because I'm attached to this name!<br><br> I could be wrong, but I don't think most folks mind when individuals occasionally go over three posts a day when actually engaged in an active discussion, particularly about local issues. I also think folks are more tolerant when infrequent posters engage in actual discussions go over three posts in a day, whether about local issues or not.<br><br> BTW, something I really miss are the discussions about local issues. Over time, they have become fewer and further between here, it seems to me. I know for me personally, I don't bring up many local issues anymore since I no longer subscribe to a local newspaper, so I'd appreciate learning about local issues I might otherwise be unaware of from discussion
here.<br><br> I think keeping to three posts a day should be something relatively simple to do, too. Since Darrell brought up Tom's posts, I took a look and Tom could pretty easily just combine things into one post. For instance, the three Farmer's Market posts today could have been combined into one, and the three mp3 posts could have been combined into one, yes?<br><br> So, that's my vote: let's get back to trying to keep our posts to three per day.<br><br><br><br> Saundra Lund<br> Moscow, ID<br><br> Compassion is the basis of all morality.<br> ~ Arthur Schopenhuaer<br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br> From: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a
ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] On Behalf Of Darrell Keim<br> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 10:41 AM<br> To: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br> Subject: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name <br><br> I opened up my email this morning at 9am to 8 emails from Tom Hansen. <br><br> And the day is just getting started. <br><br> This made me curious. How much does Tom post? So I looked at yesterday: 7 emails. Thursday: 8 emails. I stopped there.<br><br> In light of this, I propose a name change. Instead of "Moscow Vision 2020" I propose "Hansen's Moscow 24/7."<br><br> All in favor?<br>
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