[Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal

[Sunil]

Paul,

Is there a time you think our government was small? 

sunil

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:53:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal
From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com

I never meant to imply that a large government has the *right* to spy on it's citizens.  It just has the resources to do so.

Basically, if you want the nice shiny things, you need a government big enough to cause us all trouble, as well as the rest of the world.


I agree that the "policing" I was talking about serves the interest of those in power for reasons other than doing what they think is right.  They can't do it (at least as well) with a small government, though, which was my point.


Paul


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:




You're creating a false equivalence. Just because a state is large doesn't mean it thinks it has the right to spy on it's citizens.

As for policing the world, if we are doing any 'policing,' it's to impose our will and serve the interests of those who benefit from our foreign policy.


Sunil
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:57:00 -0700
From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
To: thansen at moscow.com

CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal

I was thinking more generally of welfare (medicaid, medicare, social security, unemployment, etc).  They are extremely useful programs when needed, they are often abused, and they require a large federal government to sustain.  I wouldn't be so down on the idea of a large state if it didn't think that it had the right to spy on it's citizens and assassinate people without due process and if it didn't think it had to police the world.



Paul


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

Paul Rumelhart argues:
"Being a statist is what I have a problem with.  Basically making the state too powerful and people too dependent upon it."


Do you mean state-expanded Medicaid?   Public schools?  Increased minimum wage?
Details please.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .


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  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho


"There's room at the top they are telling you still.But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,

If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon

  
On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com> wrote:



Being a statist is what I have a problem with.  Basically making the state too powerful and people too dependent upon it.


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