[Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal

[Ted Moffett]

More misleading statements on Vision2020...

Social Security is not "welfare" in the sense of a government wholly
taxpayer supported hand out, that does not require someone to pay into the
program to receive the benefit, such as the SNAP so called "food stamps"
program, which anyone of low enough income who qualifies can receive,
regardless of their tax contributions during their life.

To call Social Security "welfare" is common among libertarian
anti-government propagandists who would love to see Social Security
dismantled.

Workers pay into the Social Security system during their working life, and
the amount of the SS benefit they receive is contingent upon the amount of
their contribution.  Some people pay into SS for decades, and die too young
to ever see a benefit!  Others receive a benefit but still die too young to
get back their contributions.  It is true that if someone has a very long
lifespan, they may receive in SS benefits more than they contributed.

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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was thinking more generally of welfare (medicaid, medicare, social
> security, unemployment, etc).  They are extremely useful programs when
> needed, they are often abused, and they require a large federal government
> to sustain.  I wouldn't be so down on the idea of a large state if it
> didn't think that it had the right to spy on it's citizens and assassinate
> people without due process and if it didn't think it had to police the
> world.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul Rumelhart argues:
>>
>> "Being a statist is what I have a problem with.  Basically making the
>> state too powerful and people too dependent upon it."
>>
>> Do you mean state-expanded Medicaid?   Public schools?  Increased minimum
>> wage?
>>
>> Details please.
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Being a statist is what I have a problem with.  Basically making the
>> state too powerful and people too dependent upon it.
>>
>>
>
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