[Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling

Wed Sep 25 13:19:29 PDT 2013

There is no destruction of roadway.  The stretch of Highway 12 that the first Megaload has already traversed is operational.  You can go drive it yourself and marvel at what I imagine some say had been spectacular views that have now been forever ruined because of the Megaload.  See for yourself and make your own call on the destruction the Megaload has supposedly incurred.

I have more than one property where neighbors have built across my property line (mine, not yours, not the tribes).  In one case the neighbor seems to be reasonable and amenable to a lot line adjustment where the property lines are redrawn so he takes the chunk of my property he encroached upon and I take an equal size chunk out of his property to keep the lot size at 10 acres.  I have a lien on another sold property where a neighbor built a barn across the property line.  My buyer and that neighbor are feuding fiercely so that dispute has become particularly nasty and will be resolved by the courts similarly to how the Megaload dispute will be resolved.  Also, someone hauled a trailer onto one of my properties and then later abandoned it so now I get to spend time and money disposing it.  As you can see your swimming pool analogy is apples to oranges in comparison to the Megaloads. If you're trying to stop them just to stymie a big corporation and supposed billionaires, that's a pretty poor reason, but we'll add it all the same to the still growing list which previously included: supposedly ruins the views, supposedly ruins the roadway, supposedly destroys the environment of indigenous people (tangential argument), inappropriate road for loads that size (reasonable argument), and breaks treaties (seemingly this is the best shot at blocking the megaloads).

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:28:30 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com

I think the destruction of the Natives territory and the destruction of the roadway and surrounding area are directly linked. If your neighbor wanted to build a swimming pool, and he wanted to go through your yard, rip up the land, cut down some old trees, would you not try to stop it? I think it is the destruction of public and private property of many for the huge financial gain of a few billionaires and China that ticks people off. Why should we lose for them? 
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                                        Actually, treaty rights are not my pet peeve.  Do I care, as I imagine you do as well, that the U.S. government broke the Treaty of 1855 into a million pieces when gold was discovered near Orofino in the early 1860s. It makes me heart sick that folks in this country are unaware of the genocide committed against native people from 1605 to the present day. The Treaty of 1855 was replaced by the Treaty of 1863 . Naturally, that wasn’t sufficient either. . . . and on and on it goes.  One thing is clear the land that Highway 12 runs through has been home to Nez Perce people (and their ancestors) for at least 10,000 years.  All treaties the U.S. has made with the Nez Perce Nation guarantee the right of tribal members to use the reservation land for traditional hunting and gathering practices.  It is their
 land not yours, mine, or the federal governments’.  I don’t mean to become pedantic and I understand clearly that Nez Perce people can (and have) defend themselves ably from invasive commercial use of their land by stopping the lumbering behemoths heading to Canada – where they will be used to destroy land belonging to other indigenous people.  Rose HuskeyFrom: Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:30 PMTo: Rosemary Huskey; 'Paul Rumelhart'; 'Wayne Price'Cc: vizSubject: RE:
 [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling  I didn't read the ruling but the snipets from the judge that were printed in the press were well reasoned in my opinion.  I have no issue with the ruling.  The whole 'Treaty Rights' deal is your pet peeve and if it has teeth, then run with it.  It has little to do with screwing up Tom's beautiful Highway 12 which unarguably already screws up the natural beauty of the region.  It's almost a shame that there weren't more Toms around back in the day to stop the highway from being built in the first place rather than just now trying to stop it from being temporarily used for its intended purpose.-ScottFrom: donaldrose at cpcinternet.comTo: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com; bear at moscow.comCC: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: RE: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads rulingDate: Tue, 24 Sep 2013
 16:13:47 -0700Have any of you read U.S. District Judge B. Lynn Winmill ruled in favor of the Nez Perce Tribe and Idaho Rivers United, granting an injunction to stop future Omega Morgan megaload shipments on U.S. Highway 12. ?  Do any of you understand the term “Treaty Rights” ? Are you aware of the terms of the 1855 Treaty?  Best inform yourselves a bit more or folks might think that you are all blatting on about things you have no specialist knowledge, background or training on.  Rose Huskey From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Scott DredgeSent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:19 PMTo: Paul Rumelhart; Wayne PriceCc: vizSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling I just think the whole brouhaha is
 politics as usual.  Using Hansen's illogic about a the 'once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana', anyone could make the case that Highway 12 itself already has ruined this 'once-beautiful passage'.  I think all precautions should be put in place to safely move the Megaloads down Highway 12 with minimal disruption to those living and traveling along that corridor, but once they've moved on through there wouldn't be anything different from now.  The one Megaload that has already gone through hasn't changed anything about that stretch of highway so that pretty much neuters the argument that the Megaloads will ruin things.  The delays will be forgotten, trees are renewable, and road and power line damage can be fixed.  Anything affecting the scenic view (or lack thereof) years from now will be caused by something other than the Megaloads which are
 simply passing through for a relatively very brief period of time.-ScottDate: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:26 -0700From: godshatter at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads rulingTo: bear at moscow.com; scooterd408 at hotmail.comCC: vision2020 at moscow.comFrom my perspective, I understand and sympathize with arguments involving the possible problems with moving a large megaload through the area (delays, cutting trees, possible damage to the road).  What I object to are the political arguments involving the purpose for these megaloads.  I really don't want our government deciding what legal items we are allowed or not allowed to move along a public road based solely on their intended purpose.  The roads should be like the phone lines.  No restrictions on what goes down them unless an actual law is broken.  Pursuant to the permitting process and so forth, of course.I do think what you are saying about "if they control it then they should pay for it" makes sense.  There are also some State/Federal issue I'm not
 particularly comfortable with here, too.Paul  From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:49 PMSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling Scott, I have also driven Hwy 12, and there is NOTHING changed along that route, but I have taken steps by contacting my state representatives, and strongly urge them that since a
 federal judge in Boise has determined that both the Nez Perce Tribe and the US Forest Service now has the final say so over what travels on what was previously a state controlled highway, there should be NO state funds put into that highway. IF the Nez Perce and the Forest Service control that highway, let them pay for the maintenance and upkeep. This is also a red-flag warning to any other state that if one of their highways is designated a  Roads were built and maintained for commerce. IF the nay-sayers want a road that looks and function like the route traveled  by  Lewis and Clark, so be it, but I don't want my state transportation dollars supporting it. Those funds, if approved by the state legislature, can come out of and be
 administered by the state historical preservations office. Wayne  On Sep 24, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Scott Dredge wrote: When you write about 'our children and our
 children's children', is that specifically your children or other' children? One Megaload has already crossed. Have you been through Highway 12 since that time and noticed any change to the scenic environment?  If not, when was the last time you travelled Highway 12 Megaload route?-ScottOn Sep 24, 2013, at 2:55 AM, "Moscow Cares" <moscowcares at moscow.com>
 wrote:Years from now, when our children and our children's children, journey across that once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana, i do not want their first two words to be, "Remember when . . . " Courtesy of today's (September 24, 2013) Lewiston Tribune. ---------------------------------Firm seeks to undo megaloads rulingIf judge won't halt suspension, company will appealA General Electric subsidiary said a federal judge made several legal errors when he barred megaloads from using U.S. Highway 12 and has asked him to reconsider.If the request is denied, attorneys for Resource Conservation Company International said they will appeal the
 ruling by U.S. District Judge B. Lynn Winmill that closed the highway to its contracted shipper Omega Morgan and its plans to haul massive water purification equipment to Canadian oil fields via the highway.On Sept. 12, Winmill ruled against RCCI and the U.S. Forest Service and issued a preliminary injunction ordering the agency to block the loads. The injunction was requested by the Nez Perce Tribe and the environmental group Idaho Rivers United. On Sept. 17, Regional Forester Faye Kruger of Missoula, Mont., issued an order barring megaloads from using the portion of the highway that crosses the forest.In his ruling, Winmill said the agency's failure to stop the shipments violated several federal laws, including the Wild
 and Scenic Rivers Act as well as the Clearwater National Forest Plan. That ruling was based, in part, on a phone conversation between Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell and Nez Perce Tribal Chairman Silas Whitman in which Tidwell reportedly refused Whitman's request to block the loads.The legal request from the company alleges Winmill was wrong to consider Tidwell's refusal as a final agency action because Forest Service officials were in the process of conducting a study on megaload impacts to the Middle Fork of the Clearwater/Lochsa Wild and Scenic River Corridor and had also begun formal consultations with the tribe.The company also disagreed with Winmill's finding that the agency's discretionary
 decision not to previously take enforcement action against Omega-Morgan was an "extreme abdication of statutory responsibility" and the company claims the judge based his decision to order the closure on an issue not raised during court briefings but raised in oral arguments, leaving them too little time to respond.Attorneys for the company also took issue with Winmill saying it stood to lose $5 million if it couldn't use the highway. They said the company actually could be out $85 million. Because the company's plans to use the highway predate a February decision by Winmill saying the Forest Service has authority to regulate megaload traffic, they said the judge's characterization of their decision to use the highway as a calculated risk was in error."RCCI respectfully requests that the court, on an expedited basis, reconsider its order, deny plaintiffs' request for injunctive relief, and direct the Forest Service to rescind its September 17, 2013 closure order accordingly. Should the court decline to reconsider its order, or should it reconsider its order only to conclude that the injunction should remain, RCCI alternatively requests that the court grant RCCI's request to stay the injunction pending an appeal," according to court documents.The company shipped a megaload over the highway in early August, which spawned four nights of protests by tribal members and environmentalists. Another RCCI oversized load awaits shipment at the Port of Wilma and the company has said it intends to use the highway to ship
 six more loads to Canada. --------------------------------- A year or so ago a bunch of us "anti-megaloaders" gathered at the residence of Borg Hendricks and Lin Laughy.  At one point during the festivities, Lin explained how this all got started a few years ago . . . He explained that, having heard
 about the potential of ever-increasing (in size and number) loads being transported up US-12 from the Lewiston Port into Montana and up to Canada, he and Borg discussed this and how adeversely it would impact the Scenic Byway of Highway 12.  Apparently the discussion became a bit heated, and as they quizically looked at each other, Borg said to Lin (or Lin said to Borg) . . . "Hey, ya think maybe . . . ?" And so it began. Well, Lin and Borg, as a passage in the song "High Hopes" goes . . . "High Hopes" "Just what makes that little old antThink he'll move that rubber tree plantAnyone knows an ant, can'tMove a rubber tree plantBut he's got high hopesHe's got high hopesHe's got high apple pieIn the sky hopesSo any time you're gettin' low'Stead of lettin' go, just remember that antOops, there goes another rubber tree plantOops, there goes another rubber tree plantOops, there goes another rubber tree plant."Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . ."Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho"This is the 'Mouse that Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and 'Avatar' all rolled into one.  We must remember that the thousands of citizens involved in this effort to protect their personal and family safety, their businesses and their
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