[Vision2020] Shameless?

[Paul Rumelhart]

I've got a couple of questions.

1. Why did you feel the need to go out of your way to stop others from being able to purchase "The Ex"?  I think it's in bad taste, and I don't plan on ever buying one, but it never occurred to me that I needed to make other people's decisions for them and try to force Amazon not to sell them.  This seems to be one of the contentious issues between the philosophies of the Libertarian Party vs. the Democratic Party.  What's wrong with just not buying one?  Why not let everyone choose to be a saint or a sinner?


2. What do you think the purpose of the "No Hesitation" line of practice targets is, if not to desensitize someone to shooting pregnant women, old men, kids, etc?  The company that used to sell them (before they took them down) has a $5.5 million contract with the government, and claims to sell that particular line of targets to law enforcement.  I haven't found out yet whether they sold any of that particular line of targets to federal agents yet.  Why would trained law enforcement professionals need these kinds of targets?


The purchasers of "The Ex" mannequins undoubtedly need to work on their relationship skills.  The purchasers of the "No Hesitation" line of targets are law enforcement professionals and quite possibly federal agents.  That scares me far more than the other.  However, it doesn't scare me enough to try to force Law Enforcement Targets, inc. to take the targets off their web site (despite the fact that they did so voluntarily later).

Paul



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 From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shameless?
 


Ron, thanks for sharing the Amazon & Zombie Industries update – I was one of many who contacted Amazon about selling “The Ex,” and I’m glad to hear the campaign was successful.
 
Paul, as usual, I don’t find your attempts to jerk our chains amusing.  At all.  It’s beyond ridiculous to argue that on the one hand, The Ex will have no “real impact” on the murders of women in spite of the documented role of gun availability in domestic violence, and on the other hand, argue -- on the basis of something from Alex Jones’ InfoWars, no less -- that DHS & law enforcement are being desensitized so they’ll feel free comfortable opening fire on Americans.  Ridiculous.
 
As for the whopping 2,000,000 hits you assert as validity for the InfoWars nonsense, I can Google a whole lot of things that are absolutely ridiculous and come up with 2,000,000 Google hits.
 
But, since this is America, you keep right on drinking the paranoia Kool-Aid you’ve developed a recent taste for  J
 
 
Saundra
Moscow, ID
 
Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child as it is to the caterpillar.
~ Bradley Miller
 
 
 
 
From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:07 AM
To: Ron Force; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shameless?
 
I see this as a joke product.  In bad taste, yes, but I doubt it will have any real impact on homicide statistics.

What concerns me more is the Department of Homeland Security buying targets of pregnant women, moms with toddlers, young kids, and the elderly all holding guns.  Why do they feel the need to desensitize their employees and law enforcement officials that they train to the elderly and the young?  

Link for the target story:  http://www.examiner.com/article/company-selling-targets-with-images-of-americans-to-dhs-for-firearms-training

As an aside, I couldn't find a "normal" source for this story, even though google turned up almost 2,000,000 hits for it.  So you'll have to do with the Examiner.  

Paul
 
 

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From:Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:02 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Shameless?
 
From Joe Nocera (New York Times):
 
Two of today’s shootings involve men who allegedly gunned down their wives and other family members. In fact, many shootings covered in our daily report are domestic. This sad fact has apparently not gone unnoticed by Zombie Industries, an N.R.A. convention vendor famous for marketing a target that resembles President Obama. The company is under fire this week for marketing a mannequin shooting target in the likeness of a bleeding woman. Dubbed “The Ex,” the blond mannequin is clad in a tight white shirt and violet bra and actually bleeds fakes blood when shot. After an outcry, Amazon just yesterday stopped selling it.
 
Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

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