[Vision2020] gun violence debate

Fri Mar 22 16:27:12 PDT 2013

Amen borther I agree with you Paul. 
Sorry that some people have to make so personal

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 From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; 'Gary Crabtree' <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; 'Tom Hansen' <thansen at moscow.com> 
Cc: 'Vision2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] gun violence debate

One thing I can always count on on this list: the free psychotherapy.  

It's *a* reason to own a gun.  I can't help it if you guys blow it up into something it isn't.  Home protection.  It's not a niche concept.  I would go as far as to say that lots of other people who own weapons employ one for that purpose.

Tom asked me a couple of questions.  Thinking naively that he actually wanted to discuss the issue, I did some research and answered him honestly.  All I got was his patented "cut one line out of my post out of context and fling dung at it" response, followed by a bunch of people jeering me for daring to have a difference of opinion.  I don't know why I bother.

Paul

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 From: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
To: 'Gary Crabtree' <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; 'Tom Hansen' <thansen at moscow.com> 
Cc: 'Vision2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] gun violence debate

Hi Gary,

Nobody in their right mind (who knows you personally) would think of you in terms of being a coward.  I don’t think I missed the post wherein  you defend firearm ownership because you are quaking in your boots and live in fear that somehow (a breakin ??? a beserker???? A lunatic on the loose????) is a threat to you.  I’m not saying that the one in a jillion chance couldn’t happen, but if it did I have a certain degree of confidence that you are not now, nor have you ever been all hat and no cattle.  And, I can’t imagine you being concerned that your weapons match those of the local police department, the Idaho national guard, and the USMC.  Some folks on this list apparently suffer from gun envy and that’s a disease that probably takes a whole of therapy to sort out.  I don’t think that’s something you’ll be needing to spend money on.

Rose

From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:55 PM
To: Tom Hansen
Cc: Vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] gun violence debate

Speaking strictly for myself and in no way wanting to put words in the mouth of Mr. Rumelhart, I find it very mildly vexing to be framed as a "coward" for being a hunter, collector, and general firearms enthusiast. The use of that term can hardly be seen as anything other than insulting and those who do or wildly applaud its use are clearly not looking for reasoned discussion on the topic.

g
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
Please share with us, Mr. Rumelhart -

What exactly was said that makes you feel so offended?

We really would like to know, ok?
Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still 
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Mar 22, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
My apologies for having a differing view on this topic and for discussing that viewpoint on a public mailing list.
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>Paul
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>WOW,WOW and WOW!
>AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN!
>Thank you, Roger.
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>"rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com> wrote:
>Ok, now I tire of this gun debate. A hammer is not any near as deadly as a semi-automatic weapon. Sifting through the Second Amendment for a hint of a right to possess all manner of weaponry is ridiculous and frightening. God did not give us the Second amendment, nor did God design and give us guns. Gun manufacturers give us guns. And they want us to buy more guns. Yes, a gun in every drawer and a chicken in every pot.   
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>>People who want to own guns for defense live in fear. From whence does this fear originate?
>>From other people with guns!
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>>We have a gun violence problem the U.S.. no one can deny that.  The solution I often hear is to own more guns.
>>This creates more fear and a need for more, and more deadly guns to defend ourselves. Kind of like a national internal arms race. 
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>>People who are afraid to live in a civil society without arming themselves with weapons of mass destruction are cowards.
>>I am sorry to be so blunt, but I, and a vast majority of my fellow citizens, want to demonstrate the courage needed to deal with the violence in society in a logical, civil manner. Let's engage this discussion now. Enough children and citizens have died. 
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