[Vision2020] When will the exorcisms begin??????

Thu Jun 6 21:49:32 PDT 2013

Well, dang it all! No dangling parts, so no cred? And I really wanted to sign up so I could enhance my Masters degree in counseling, and couple it with my religious "convictions" (read:mostly none)....oh, well, guess I'll have to leave "real" counseling to those men of chest (and hubris)........
Debi R-S
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  From: Art Deco 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] When will the exorcisms begin??????

  Nicely stated, Rose.

  In a few words:  The propagation of ancient ignorance and all the injury and trauma it inflicts by arrogant, naive, power hungry, patriarchal male ignoramuses who live in constant fear of castration.

  As to bringing it to a halt, when the cash registers ring for Cult Master Douglas Wilson, even Jesus is powerless to halt the Cult Master's, aka The Anti-Christ's, bulldozing and shearing of the flock.  Truth in advertising ought make any honest pastor rename Christ Church to Fleece The Lambs Deformed Church.

  w.

  On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com> wrote:

    In a little over a month Moscow citizens will once again have the opportunity to gasp in horror, (if they have a conscience) at one more Christ Church sponsored flim flam scheme.  Drop by Anselm House, pay $60.00 and learn the fine art of Christian Counseling in one week.  My head explodes at their hubris, profound ignorence and most importantly the harm they will do to the misguided but genuinly hurting and fragile people who will bare their souls to a total ninny.  If you happen to know, or are neighbors with a member of Christ Church or Trinity Reformed Church, please for the sake of the people they will dupe and quite probably harm, express your concern about this program.  Silence is tacit consent to the emotional and psycological abuse.  

    The credential offered by the local program leader, Mike Lawyer, (Doug’s admistrative assistant) would be an embarrassment to a professionally trained practitioner. He is “accredited” by the people who sponsor/market the counselling program.  I will admit that this standard certainly reflects the Kirk usual do-it-yourslf educational philosophy.  Are you surprised that no women need apply?  For $60.00 (and have man parts in your trousers) you too can become a “Biblical Counselor” and cause an unknown amount of grief and suffering.  And, this in a nut shell (pun intended) is precisely what is wrong with Christ Church Inc.  None of them,  to my knowledge have received formal, academic training in psychology.  They have no state certification/recognition or oversight.  What a dog pile of know-it-all cretins.  By the way their methodology is the universally discredited method known as Nouthetic counseling.  The reading list for the course is ludicrous but it does functions as an unintentional indictment of the whole unbelievable mess.

         “The National Association of Nouthetic Counselors recognizes the existence of many different churches and/or denominations which regularly grant ordinations to those who complete the requirements for such.  NANC requires that a male Level 2 nouthetic counselor possess a valid ordination by a duly recognized local church and/or denomination. For our certification processes, and believing that ordination conferral makes up a significant aspect of the evaluation of an applicant for Level 2 membership, we reserve the right to approve or reject a person’s ordination.

    By the very nature of ordination to the gospel ministry and the conditions for which membership is granted within NANC, we therefore by this statement also affirm the biblical mandate to recognize only males for level 2 certification (please see the NANC policies and procedures section located on our website for the other requirements for level 2 certification). 

    In addition, women who possess an ordination certificate from a church and/or denomination and who are performing pastoral functions within their ministry (preaching, teaching, ruling/leading), and who are doing so either on a vocational or non-vocational basis, will not be accepted into any level of membership within NANC.”   http://www.nanc.org/About-NANC/Our-Values/Theological-Considerations/Ordination

    “Nouthetic couseling (Greek: noutheteo, to admonish) is a form of pastoral counseling that holds that counselling should be based solely upon the Bible and focused upon sin, and that repudiating mainstream psychology and psychiatry as humanistic, radically secular and fundamentally opposed to Christianity.. . .

    Nouthetic counseling has been criticized for being narrowly conceived, with a confrontational focus upon sin and behavior, which fails to deal adequately with emotion, grief, and suffering, and which lacks understanding of complex human motivations.[3]

    Clinton and Ohlschlager describe what they call the historic debate between nouthetic counselors and integrationists. Nouthetic counselors, they say, argue that truth can only be known as revealed in the Scriptures. According to an article published by the Spring Christian Counseling Center, secular counseling and psychology are primarily pseudo-sciences which only can be transformed into true sciences within the framework of faith based Christian dialog. Integrationists argue that God reveals his truth universally. This includes general revelation, or what they define as truth known by scientific investigation, as well as truth known by special revelation in Christ. Clinton and Ohlschlager express their belief that "shrill criticism and rancorous debate" are ill-suited to the mission of uplifting Christ as the model for counseling.[4]

    Christian counselor and psychologist, and leading proponent of the rival 'community model',[3] Larry Crabb states that Adams compares behavior patterns "with his understanding of biblical behavior patterns, and commands change." Crabb agrees with Adams that obedience to God's commands is "absolutely necessary for effective Christian living", but takes issue with what he sees as Adams' apparent belief that this is the "single key ingredient for spiritual growth". Crabb believes that this neglects what he refers to as the "'insides' of the behaving person", particularly "the person's assumption system and his evaluation of situations based on his assumptions."[5]

    There is also debate among Christians with regard to mental illness and demonic influence on counselees. There are three views as to the origin of mental illness:

      1.. Disease occurring in the natural realm,
      2.. Habitual sin, and/or 
      3.. Influence by "demonic forces"[6] 
    Furthermore, "In the counseling field, many nouthetic counselors have said that Satan and his demons were bound, bruised, curtailed and restrained at the time of Christ’s death and resurrection. They assert that human beings today primarily struggle with their own sin natures rather than directly with Satan and his emissaries."[6]   [bolding is my editorial comment]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling

    An explanation of the classes that will be conducted at held by Christ Church central can be found here: http://www.cbcmoscow.com/counseling/information-about-counseling/

    Why People Come for Counseling

      a.. Marriage and Family Problems 
      b.. Divorce and remarriage
      c.. Anger
      d.. Anxiety 
      e.. Depression
      f.. Decision-making
      g.. Fear and panic 
      h.. Grief and suffering
      i.. Drug and alcohol addiction
      j.. Pornography
      k.. Homosexuality / Lesbianism
      l.. Attempted suicide 
      m.. Financial problems
      n.. Other life-dominating problems
    Goals of Biblical Counseling

    Biblical counseling has many goals, but our primary goal is to help you develop a whole-hearted love for God and others. Strange as it may sound today, our purpose is not to simply help you “feel better” or “find happiness,” but to help you grow in personal holiness and spiritual maturity for service in the body of Christ. Another goal of biblical counseling is to help you meet the various challenges of life in a way that will always please and glorify the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Uniqueness of Biblical Counseling

    The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the answer to your most basic problems. The Bible is the counselor’s main tool. The Holy Spirit imparts gifts to the counselor to guide and give hope through the Scripture. Prayer and dependence upon God are essential parts of biblical counseling.

    Biblical counselors have resources for helping you that unbelievers do not have—resources that are unique, sufficient, and superior to anything the world has to offer.”  

    Please think about this and register your concern with your friends.  Perhaps enough negative reactions will bring it to a screeching halt.  

    Rose Huskey

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