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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Well, dang it all! No dangling parts, so no cred?
And I really wanted to sign up so I could enhance my Masters degree in
counseling, and couple it with my religious "convictions" (read:mostly
none)....oh, well, guess I'll have to leave "real" counseling to those men of
chest (and hubris)........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=art.deco.studios@gmail.com
href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] When will the
exorcisms begin??????</DIV>
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<DIV>Nicely stated, Rose.<BR><BR></DIV>In a few words: The propagation
of ancient ignorance and all the injury and trauma it inflicts by arrogant,
naive, power hungry, patriarchal male ignoramuses who live in constant fear of
castration.<BR><BR></DIV>As to bringing it to a halt, when the cash registers
ring for Cult Master Douglas Wilson, even Jesus is powerless to halt the Cult
Master's, aka The Anti-Christ's, bulldozing and shearing of the flock.
Truth in advertising ought make any honest pastor rename Christ Church to
Fleece The Lambs Deformed Church.<BR>
<DIV><BR>w.<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Rosemary Huskey <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com"
target=_blank>donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In a little over a month
Moscow citizens will once again have the opportunity to gasp in horror, (if
they have a conscience) at one more Christ Church sponsored flim flam
scheme. Drop by Anselm House, pay $60.00 and learn the fine art of
Christian Counseling in one week. My head explodes at their hubris,
profound ignorence and most importantly the harm they will do to the
misguided but genuinly hurting and fragile people who will bare their souls
to a total ninny. If you happen to know, or are neighbors with a
member of Christ Church or Trinity Reformed Church, please for the sake of
the people they will dupe and quite probably harm, express your concern
about this program. Silence is tacit consent to the emotional and
psycological abuse. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The credential offered by
the local program leader, Mike Lawyer, (Doug’s admistrative assistant) would
be an embarrassment to a professionally trained practitioner. He is
“accredited” by the people who sponsor/market the counselling program.
I will admit that this standard certainly reflects the Kirk usual
do-it-yourslf educational philosophy. Are you surprised that no women
need apply? </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">For $60.00 (and have
man parts in your trousers) you too can become a “Biblical Counselor” and
cause an unknown amount of grief and suffering. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And, this in a nut shell (pun intended) is precisely
what is wrong with Christ Church Inc. None of them, to my
knowledge have received formal, academic training in psychology. They
have no state certification/recognition or oversight. What a dog pile
of know-it-all cretins. By the way their methodology is the
universally discredited method known as Nouthetic counseling. The <A
href="http://www.cbcmoscow.com/training/counseling-in-a-week/"
target=_blank>reading list</A> for the course is ludicrous but it does
functions as an unintentional indictment of the whole unbelievable
mess.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
“The National Association of Nouthetic Counselors recognizes the existence
of many different churches and/or denominations which regularly grant
ordinations to those who complete the requirements for such. NANC
requires that a male Level 2 nouthetic counselor possess a valid ordination
by a duly recognized local church and/or denomination. For our certification
processes, and believing that ordination conferral makes up a significant
aspect of the evaluation of an applicant for Level 2 membership, we reserve
the right to approve or reject a person’s
ordination.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">By the very nature of
ordination to the gospel ministry and the conditions for which membership is
granted within NANC, we therefore by this statement also affirm the biblical
mandate to recognize only males for level 2 certification (please see the
NANC policies and procedures section located on our website for the other
requirements for level 2 certification). <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In addition, women who
possess an ordination certificate from a church and/or denomination and who
are performing pastoral functions within their ministry (preaching,
teaching, ruling/leading), and who are doing so either on a vocational or
non-vocational basis, will not be accepted into any level of membership
within NANC.” <A
href="http://www.nanc.org/About-NANC/Our-Values/Theological-Considerations/Ordination"
target=_blank>http://www.nanc.org/About-NANC/Our-Values/Theological-Considerations/Ordination</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">“Nouthetic
couseling</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> (Greek: <I>noutheteo</I>,
to admonish) is a form of <A title="Pastoral counseling"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral_counseling"
target=_blank>pastoral counseling</A> that holds that counselling should be
based solely upon the Bible and focused upon sin, and that repudiating
mainstream <A title=Psychology
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology" target=_blank>psychology</A>
and <A title=Psychiatry href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry"
target=_blank>psychiatry</A> as <A title=Humanistic
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanistic" target=_blank>humanistic</A>,
radically <A title=Secular href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular"
target=_blank>secular</A> and fundamentally opposed to <A title=Christianity
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity"
target=_blank>Christianity</A>.. . .<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Nouthetic counseling
has been criticized for being narrowly conceived, with a confrontational
focus upon sin and behavior, which fails to deal adequately with emotion,
grief, and suffering, and which lacks understanding of complex human
motivations.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling#cite_note-FOOTNOTEClintonOhlschlager200246-3"
target=_blank>[3]</A></SUP><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Clinton and Ohlschlager
describe what they call the historic debate between nouthetic counselors and
integrationists. Nouthetic counselors, they say, argue that truth can only
be known as revealed in the Scriptures. According to an article published by
the Spring Christian Counseling Center, secular counseling and psychology
are primarily pseudo-sciences which only can be transformed into true
sciences within the framework of faith based Christian dialog.
Integrationists argue that God reveals his truth universally. This includes
<A title="General revelation"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_revelation" target=_blank>general
revelation</A>, or what they define as truth known by scientific
investigation, as well as truth known by <A title="Special revelation"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_revelation" target=_blank>special
revelation</A> in Christ. Clinton and Ohlschlager express their belief that
"shrill criticism and rancorous debate" are ill-suited to the mission of
uplifting Christ as the model for counseling.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling#cite_note-FOOTNOTEClintonOhlschlager200252.2C_53-4"
target=_blank>[4]</A></SUP><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Christian counselor and
psychologist, and leading proponent of the rival 'community model',<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling#cite_note-FOOTNOTEClintonOhlschlager200246-3"
target=_blank>[3]</A></SUP> <A title="Larry Crabb"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Crabb" target=_blank>Larry
Crabb</A> states that Adams compares behavior patterns "with his
understanding of biblical behavior patterns, and commands change." Crabb
agrees with Adams that obedience to God's commands is "absolutely necessary
for effective Christian living", but takes issue with what he sees as Adams'
apparent belief that this is the "single key ingredient for spiritual
growth". Crabb believes that this neglects what he refers to as the
"'insides' of the behaving person", particularly "the person's assumption
system and his evaluation of situations based on his assumptions."<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling#cite_note-5"
target=_blank>[5]</A></SUP><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">There is also debate
among Christians with regard to mental illness and demonic influence on
counselees. There are three views as to the origin of mental
illness:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<OL type=1>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Disease occurring in the
natural realm,<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Habitual sin,
and/or<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Influence by "demonic
forces"<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling#cite_note-Baker-6"
target=_blank>[6]</A></SUP><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </LI></OL>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Furthermore, <B>"In the
counseling field, many nouthetic counselors have said that Satan and his
demons were bound, bruised, curtailed and restrained at the time of Christ’s
death and resurrection. They assert that human beings today primarily
struggle with their own sin natures rather than directly with Satan and his
emissaries</B>."<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling#cite_note-Baker-6"
target=_blank>[6]</A> </SUP>[bolding is my editorial
comment]<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling"
target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouthetic_counseling</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">An explanation of the
classes that will be conducted at held by Christ Church central can be found
here: <A
href="http://www.cbcmoscow.com/counseling/information-about-counseling/"
target=_blank>http://www.cbcmoscow.com/counseling/information-about-counseling/</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG border=0
alt=Counseling-In-A-Week src="cid:6F21F7D55FC64399828D772B9280D81B@OwnerPC"
width=200 height=125></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Why People Come for
Counseling</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<UL type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Marriage and Family
Problems<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Divorce and
remarriage<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Anger<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Anxiety<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Depression<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Decision-making<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fear and
panic<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Grief and
suffering<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Drug and alcohol
addiction<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Pornography<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Homosexuality /
Lesbianism<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Attempted
suicide<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Financial
problems<U></U><U></U></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Other life-dominating
problems<U></U><U></U></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Goals of Biblical
Counseling</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Biblical counseling has
many goals, but our primary goal is to help you develop a whole-hearted love
for God and others. Strange as it may sound today, our purpose is not to
simply help you “feel better” or “find happiness,” but to help you grow in
personal holiness and spiritual maturity for service in the body of Christ.
Another goal of biblical counseling is to help you meet the various
challenges of life in a way that will always please and glorify the Lord
Jesus Christ.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Uniqueness of Biblical
Counseling</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Gospel of Jesus Christ
is the answer to your most basic problems. The Bible is the counselor’s main
tool. The Holy Spirit imparts gifts to the counselor to guide and give hope
through the Scripture. Prayer and dependence upon God are essential parts of
biblical counseling.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Biblical counselors have
resources for helping you that unbelievers do not have—resources that are
unique, sufficient, and superior to anything the world has to offer.”
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please think about this and
register your concern with your friends. Perhaps enough negative
reactions will bring it to a screeching halt.
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