[Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 25 14:06:28 PDT 2013


Tom,
 
He spoke out against this activity:
 
http://washingtonexaminer.com/in-2006-obama-blasted-nsa-spying-no-president-is-above-the-law/article/2531302
 
There's no dressing this up. There's no blaming anyone else. He's in charge, and he's doing this with the D and R leadership together.
 
>From Greenwald's column in the Guardian:
 
'One of the worst myths Democratic partisans love to tell themselves - and everyone else - is that the GOP refuses to support President Obama no matter what he does. Like its close cousin - the massively deceitful inside-DC grievance that the two parties refuse to cooperate on anything - it's hard to overstate how false this Democratic myth is. When it comes to foreign policy, war, assassinations, drones, surveillance, secrecy, and civil liberties, President Obama's most stalwart, enthusiastic defenders are often found among the most radical precincts of the Republican Party.'
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/25/democratic-establishment-nsa
 
Also this:
 
'The White House then condemned Amash/Conyers this way: "This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process." What a multi-level masterpiece of Orwellian political deceit that sentence is. The highly surgical Amash/Conyers amendment - which would eliminate a single, specific NSA program of indiscriminate domestic spying - is a "blunt approach", but the Obama NSA's bulk, indiscriminate collection of all Americans' telephone records is not a "blunt approach". Even worse: Amash/Conyers - a House bill debated in public and then voted on in public - is not an "open or deliberative process", as opposed to the Obama administration's secret spying activities and the secret court that blesses its secret interpretations of law, which is "open and deliberative". That anyone can write a statement like the one that came from the Obama White House without dying of shame, or giggles, is impressive.'
 
Sunil
 
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
From: thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:52:05 -0700
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com

But, then, Obama never spoke out against big government as loudly as Boehner, Bachmann and others who voted against the amendment.
Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
 

On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:




Tom,
 
Sure, we can try to blame the Rs, but the Obama Administration and D leadership fought against it. Mirror time for Ds, no, before pointing fingers?
 
Sunil
 
From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:47:24 -0700
To: godshatter at yahoo.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397

The amendment failed 217 nays against 205 ayes.
Of the 217 nays, 134 of them were Republicans.  The very party that proudly proclaims that it is against government influence in our private lives would not support this amendment, an amendment designed to prevent the NSA from blanket collection of citizens' records.
What makes it worse is that it would have only taken seven congressmen (Mike Simpson and six others) to turn the vote around.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
 

On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, 205 - 217.  It was close enough that another such bill, with more actual backing from the populace and no drama issues thrown at our feet (which I admit I fell for) could actually have a chance at passing.  That's got to be making some higher ups in the intelligence circles nervous.

Paul

P.S. Kudos to Raul Labrador for voting for it.


        From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
 To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
 
 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:36 AM
 Subject: [Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397
   
Hmmm.
Courtesy of GovTrack at:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h412
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H.Amdt. 413 (Amash) to H.R.
 2397: To end authority for the blanket collection of records under the Patriot Act. It ...On the Amendment in the HouseNumber:House Vote #412 [primary source: house.gov]Date:Jul 24, 2013 (113th Congress)Result:FailedBill:H.R. 2397:
 Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014 
Introduced by Rep. W. Bill Young [R-FL13] on June 17, 2013 
Current Status: Passed HouseAmendment:H.Amdt. 413 (Amash) to H.R. 2397: To end authority for the blanket collection of records under the Patriot Act. It would also bar the NSA and other agencies from using Section 215 of the Patriot Act to collect records, including telephone call records, th 
Offered by Rep. Justin Amash [R-MI3] on July 24, 2013
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Final vote on Amadh amendment to HR 2397

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How Idaho's representatives voted on the Amash amendment to HR 2397
IdahoAYE  R  Labrador, RaúlID 1stNO  R  Simpson, MikeID 2nd
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Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . .
 .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
 

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