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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Tom,<BR> <BR>He spoke out against this activity:<BR> <BR><a href="http://washingtonexaminer.com/in-2006-obama-blasted-nsa-spying-no-president-is-above-the-law/article/2531302">http://washingtonexaminer.com/in-2006-obama-blasted-nsa-spying-no-president-is-above-the-law/article/2531302</a><BR> <BR>There's no dressing this up. There's no blaming anyone else. He's in charge, and he's doing this with the D and R leadership together.<BR> <BR>From Greenwald's column in the Guardian:<BR> <BR>'One of the worst myths Democratic partisans love to tell themselves - and everyone else - is that the GOP refuses to support President Obama no matter what he does. Like its close cousin - the massively deceitful inside-DC grievance that the two parties refuse to cooperate on anything - it's hard to overstate how false this Democratic myth is. When it comes to foreign policy, war, assassinations, drones, surveillance, secrecy, and civil liberties, President Obama's most stalwart, enthusiastic defenders are often found among the most radical precincts of the Republican Party.'<BR> <BR><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/25/democratic-establishment-nsa">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/25/democratic-establishment-nsa</a><BR> <BR>Also this:<BR> <BR>'The White House then condemned Amash/Conyers this way: "This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process." What a multi-level masterpiece of Orwellian political deceit that sentence is. The highly surgical Amash/Conyers amendment - which would eliminate a single, specific NSA program of indiscriminate domestic spying - is a "blunt approach", but the Obama NSA's bulk, indiscriminate collection of all Americans' telephone records is not a "blunt approach". Even worse: Amash/Conyers - a House bill debated in public and then voted on in public - is not an "open or deliberative process", as opposed to the Obama administration's secret spying activities and the secret court that blesses its secret interpretations of law, which is "open and deliberative". That anyone can write a statement like the one that came from the Obama White House without dying of shame, or giggles, is impressive.'<BR> <BR>Sunil<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>From: thansen@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397<br>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:52:05 -0700<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br><br><div><span></span></div><div><div>But, then, Obama never spoke out against big government as loudly as Boehner, Bachmann and others who voted against the amendment.</div><div><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>
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<div dir="ltr">Tom,<br> <br>Sure, we can try to blame the Rs, but the Obama Administration and D leadership fought against it. Mirror time for Ds, no, before pointing fingers?<br> <br>Sunil<br> <br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:47:24 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397<br><br><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div><span></span></div><div><div>The amendment failed 217 nays against 205 ayes.</div><div><br></div><div>Of the 217 nays, 134 of them were Republicans. The very party that proudly proclaims that it is against government influence in our private lives would not support this amendment, an amendment designed to prevent the NSA from blanket collection of citizens' records.</div><div><br></div><div>What makes it worse is that it would have only taken seven congressmen (Mike Simpson and six others) to turn the vote around.<br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size: medium;">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></div><span style="font-size: medium;">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Well, 205 - 217. It was close enough that another such bill, with more actual backing from the populace and no drama issues thrown at our feet (which I admit I fell for) could actually have a chance at passing. That's got to be making some higher ups in the intelligence circles nervous.<br><br>Paul<br><br>P.S. Kudos to Raul Labrador for voting for it.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:36 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] The Amash Amendment to HR 2397<br> </font> </div> <div class="ecxy_msg_container"><br><div id="ecxyiv5133875838"><div><div><span></span></div><div><div>Hmmm.</div><div><br></div><div>Courtesy of GovTrack at:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="line-height: 19px; font-size: 15px; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h412" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h412</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>--------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div><h1 style="background-position: 0px 100%; padding: 0px 0px 0.5em; border: 0px currentColor; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline;"><font size="3"><span>H.Amdt. 413 (Amash) to H.R.
2397: To end authority for the blanket collection of records under the Patriot Act. It ...</span></font></h1><div style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>On the Amendment in the House</span></div><dl style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; vertical-align: baseline;"><dt style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; width: 90px; clear: left; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Number:</span></dt><dd style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>House Vote #412 [primary source: <a style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" href="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">house.gov</a>]</span></dd><dt style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; width: 90px; clear: left; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Date:</span></dt><dd style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Jul 24, 2013 (113<sup style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; height: 0px; font-style: italic; vertical-align: baseline;">th</sup> Congress)</span></dd><dt style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; width: 90px; clear: left; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Result:</span></dt><dd style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Failed</span></dd><dt style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; width: 90px; clear: left; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Bill:</span></dt><dd style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: baseline;"><font color="#000000"><span><a style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2397" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">H.R. 2397:
Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014</a> <br>Introduced by <a style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/w_bill_young/400439" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rep. W. Bill Young [R-FL13]</a> on June 17, 2013 <br>Current Status: Passed House</span></font></dd><dt style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; width: 90px; clear: left; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>Amendment:</span></dt><dd style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: baseline;"><span>H.Amdt. 413 (Amash) to H.R. 2397: To end authority for the blanket collection of records under the Patriot Act. It would also bar the NSA and other agencies from using Section 215 of the Patriot Act to collect records, including telephone call records, th <br>Offered by <a style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/justin_amash/412438" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rep. Justin Amash [R-MI3]</a> on July 24, 2013</span></dd></dl></div><div><br></div><div>--------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Final vote on Amadh amendment to HR 2397</div><div><br></div><div><img width="640" height="170" id="ecxyiv5133875838437A9F05-BDF8-4489-8E81-4BC2F041340F" alt="image.jpeg" src="http://cid/"></div><div><br></div><div>--------------------</div><div><br></div><div>How Idaho's representatives voted on the Amash amendment to HR 2397</div><div><br></div><div><table class="ecxyiv5133875838stats" id="ecxyiv5133875838" style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; width: 300px; vertical-align: baseline; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px;"><tbody style='padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; line-height: normal; font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline;'><tr class="ecxyiv5133875838group" style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline;"><td style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); width: 56px; height: 29px; line-height: 13px; font-size: 13px; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: middle; background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);" colspan="4"><font face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="line-height: normal;">Idaho</span></font></td></tr><tr style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline;"><td class="ecxyiv5133875838vote_positive" style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); width: 56px; height: 29px; text-transform: uppercase; line-height: 10px; font-size: 10px; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: middle; background-color: rgb(238, 255, 238);"><font face="Helvetica" size="3">AYE</font></td><td style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); height: 29px; line-height: 29px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: middle;"><span title="Republican" class="ecxyiv5133875838party_R" style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; cursor: default;"><font face="Helvetica" size="3"> R </font></span></td><td style="padding: 5px 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); height: 29px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: middle;"><a style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/raul_labrador/412419" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3">Labrador, Raśl</font></a></td><td style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); height: 29px; line-height: 29px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: middle;"><font face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="line-height: normal;">ID 1<sup style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; height: 0px; font-style: italic; vertical-align: baseline;">st</sup></span></font></td></tr><tr style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline;"><td class="ecxyiv5133875838vote_negative" style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); width: 56px; height: 29px; text-transform: uppercase; line-height: 10px; font-size: 10px; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: middle; background-color: rgb(255, 238, 238);"><font face="Helvetica" size="3">NO</font></td><td style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); height: 29px; line-height: 29px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: middle;"><span title="Republican" class="ecxyiv5133875838party_R" style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; cursor: default;"><font face="Helvetica" size="3"> R </font></span></td><td style="padding: 5px 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); height: 29px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: middle;"><a style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_simpson/400376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3">Simpson, Mike</font></a></td><td style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(215, 221, 215); height: 29px; line-height: 29px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: middle;"><font face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="line-height: normal;">ID 2<sup style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; height: 0px; font-style: italic; vertical-align: baseline;">nd</sup></span></font></td></tr><tr class="ecxyiv5133875838group" style="padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline;"></tr></tbody></table><br></div><div>--------------------------------------</div><div><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . .
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