[Vision2020] Martin was 17. 17. He was a kid and Zimmerman, man enough to police the neighborhood, shot an unarmed kid in an effort to what -- save himself? -YES!!!

Mon Jul 22 08:44:55 PDT 2013

I appreciate your humor, Gary, but there is no evidence that guns save lives, generally speaking. If you look at the data it might have some positive impact in high crime districts but in low crime areas it is more likely to do you harm than good. Even in the Zimmerman case there is NO evidence the gun saves his life but it is a fact that it ended the life of an unarmed 17-year-old. In the other case, the guy was struck from behind, as Paul noted.

On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:

> It would seem that the more apt photos for comparison would be Zimmerman, one year post event and Mahaney at one year after. It should come as no surprise, even to you, that the guy with the firearm will have a significantly more lifelike appearance.
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> from behind the total anonymity of my keyboard,
> g
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> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> Extracted from the New York DailyNews at:
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>> http://tinyurl.com/knyxp83
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>> "I find this whole thing appalling and despicable," North College Hill Police Chief Gary Foust told the Daily News at the time.
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>> The teens, all 13 and 14, told authorities they attacked Mahaney because they were looking for something to do.
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>> Two of the boys were sentenced to probation last month. Three others pleaded guilty to felonious assault and face sentencing, while the sixth teen is contesting the charges and may go to trial.
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>> "If the coroner comes back and says that his injuries are a result of that beating those kids will be charged with some type of homicide offense," legal analyst Mike Allen told Fox19.
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>> Pat Mahaney, who had been distraught and neglected his health since the August attack, became sick last week, his family told the Cincinnati Enquirer. He died at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, the Hamilton County Prosecutor’s Office said.
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>> Pat Mahaney six months after the attack.
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>>  <mahaney17n-1-web.jpg>
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>> Trayvor Martin immediately after being shot.
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>> <trayvon-dead2eishx.png>
>> <trayvon-dead3hozqu.png>
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>> As appalling as the attack was against Mr. Mahaney, he neglected his health for almost a year after the incident.  Trayvor Martin was not afforded that opportunity.
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>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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>> - John Lennon
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>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Which also pretty much sums up why Zimmerman is quick and Mahaney is dead.
>>> Also "painfully obvious," no?
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>>> I guess it's better to draw an obvious conclusion slowly and painfully then not at all.
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>>> g
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>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>> Another painfully obvious difference between these youths and George Zimmerman . . .
>>>> 
>>>> George Zimmeman, the neighborhood watch, HAD A GUN!
>>>> 
>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>> 
>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>>   
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>> 
>>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>> 
>>>> - John Lennon
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Give me a break! There is no outrage for some very simple reasons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1/ Tell me why 1 in 5 blacks from age x to y are in prison? What is your explanation? Either they are more prone to violence or there is institutional racism. Which explanation do you give? And please be specific.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2/ Some of the culprits were found guilty. So you're not even telling the whole story.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want the Trayvon Martin stuff to go away than just shut up for a week or two and stop posting crap like this. Have some respect and let folks vent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> And where is all the "national attention" for Pat Mahaney? Where is the outrage? Where  are the marches and rallies? When does the President of "ALL THE PEOPLE" say he could have been Pat Mahaney? Were is the Department of Justice probe? 
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>>>>>> An autopsy has been completed on the North College Hill man who died Friday, nearly a year after he was severely beaten in what police said was an unprovoked, vicious attack by six teen boys.
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>>>>>> The cause of death for Pat Mahaney, 46, will not be released until all test results, including toxicology, are back, a process expected to take at least several weeks, said a spokesman for the Hamilton County Coroner’s Office.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters asked for the autopsy Friday after Mahaney died at University of Cincinnati Medical Center.Mahaney’s family said he became sick with a sudden illness Wednesday.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> “This whole incident has been a tragic event for the Mahaney family,” North College Hill Police Chief Gary Foust said today. “The North College Hill Police Department is in consultation with the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office pending the results of the autopsy.”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mahaney was so traumatized over the attack, he neglected his own health, became a recluse, his family said. He even refused to talk to probation officers seeking his input as they prepared sentencing recommendations on two of the six teens for Hamilton County Juvenile Court Judge Tracie Hunter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When the two boys, both 14, were sentenced last month to probation, work details and community service, Mahaney also declined to appear in the courtroom to face them and tell them how the beating impacted his life.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He only gave one media interview, to The Enquirer, last summer, the day after he was released from the hospital. He refused all other requests then and ever since.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> His family said over the weekend the August 2012 beating “took him over the edge” and he wouldn’t even leave his house to go to the doctor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Three other teens also have pleaded guilty to felonious assault and face sentencing. Their cases have been delayed. The boys’ lawyers have asked Hunter to close the proceedings to the public or, at the very least, restrict parts related to the teens' psychological evaluations. They also asked her to bar reporters from the hearing.
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>>>>>> Hunter said she would review psychological reports on two of the teens, both 13, privately chambers and then make her decision later this month.She also wants an expert to weigh in on whether media coverage of the case is mentally damaging the teens.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A sixth teen is fighting the charges and is expected to go to trial at some point. Now, attorneys representing all the teens are wondering how Mahaney’s death might affect their clients’ cases.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If Hamilton County Coroner Dr. Lakshmi Kode Sammarco rules Mahaney’s death to be related to the beating, that could affect criminal prosecutions of the accused attackers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The case has been controversial since the start. The attack drew national attention because of its severity and because the six boys told police that they ambushed Mahaney from behind merely because they were “bored.” Outrage spawned protests and counter-protests.
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>>>>>> According to a police report, the boys - who were all 13 at the time - jumped Mahaney from behind as he walked home from a convenience store after buying a six-pack of beer at 8:40 p.m. Aug. 11, 2012.
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>>>>>> They punched him in the back of the head, causing him to fall to the ground in the 2000 block of Dallas Avenue- just down the street from his mother’s house, where he was living.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mahaney stayed on the ground and said he was knocked unconscious almost immediately.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The teens repeatedly punched and kicked him in the face and head. One of the teens also hurled an unopened can of beer at Mahaney’s head.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The boys told police they only stopped beating Mahaney when a neighbor started to yell at them and threatened to call the police.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When officers caught up with the boys and asked them why they attacked the unemployed factory worker, “they stated that they were just bored and were looking for something to do,” a police report states.
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