<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I appreciate your humor, Gary, but there is no evidence that guns save lives, generally speaking. If you look at the data it might have some positive impact in high crime districts but in low crime areas it is more likely to do you harm than good. Even in the Zimmerman case there is NO evidence the gun saves his life but it is a fact that it ended the life of an unarmed 17-year-old. In the other case, the guy was struck from behind, as Paul noted.</div><div><br>On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>It would seem that the more apt photos for comparison would be Zimmerman, one year post event and <span>Mahaney</span> at one year after. It should come as no surprise, even to you, that the guy with the firearm will have a significantly more lifelike appearance.</div>
<div> </div><div>from behind the total anonymity of my keyboard,</div><div>g</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Extracted from the New York DailyNews at:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="line-height:18px;font-size:14px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/knyxp83" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/knyxp83</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>--------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"I find this whole thing appalling and despicable," North College Hill Police Chief Gary Foust <a style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/6-ohio-teens-arrested-beating-man-unconscious-article-1.1136965" target="_blank"><strong style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;font-style:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">told the Daily News at the time</strong></a>.</span></p>
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<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The teens, all 13 and 14, told authorities they attacked Mahaney because they were looking for something to do.</span></p><p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Two of the boys were sentenced to probation last month. Three others pleaded guilty to felonious assault and face sentencing, while the sixth teen is contesting the charges and may go to trial.</span></p>
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</p><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:left">"If the coroner comes back and says that his injuries are a result of that beating those kids will be charged with some type of homicide offense," </span><a style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline" href="http://www.fox19.com/story/22829274/north-college-hill-boredom-beating-victim-pat-mahaney-dies" target="_blank">legal analyst Mike Allen told Fox19</a><span style="text-align:left">.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:left"><br></span></span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:left">Pat Mahaney, who had been distraught and neglected his health since the August attack, became sick last week, his family </span><a style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline" href="http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130715/NEWS010702/130715013/Autopsy-complete-bored-beating-victim?nclick_check=1" target="_blank">told the Cincinnati Enquirer</a><span style="text-align:left">. He died at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, the Hamilton County Prosecutor’s Office said.</span></span></div>
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Pat Mahaney six months after the attack.</div><div><br></div><div> <mahaney17n-1-web.jpg></div><div><br></div><div>--------------------</div>
</span><p></p><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;outline:0px;border:0px currentColor;text-align:left;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><div><br></div><div>Trayvor Martin immediately after being shot.</div>
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</span><p></p></div><div><br></div><div>--------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>As appalling as the attack was against Mr. Mahaney, he neglected his health for almost a year after the incident. Trayvor Martin was not afforded that opportunity.</div>
<div><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div><div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div>
<div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Which also pretty much sums up why Zimmerman is quick and Mahaney is dead.</div><div>Also "painfully obvious," no?</div><div> </div><div>I guess it's better to draw an obvious conclusion slowly and painfully then not at all.</div>
<div> </div><div>g</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div>Another painfully obvious difference between these youths and George Zimmerman . . .</div>
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</div><div>George Zimmeman, the neighborhood <b>watch</b>, HAD A GUN!<br><br><div>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div>
<div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span></div>
<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><font size="3"><span><br>
</span></font></div><div><font size="3"><span>- John Lennon<br></span></font><div> </div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Give me a break! There is no outrage for some very simple reasons.</div><div><br></div><div>1/ Tell me why 1 in 5 blacks from age x to y are in prison? What is your explanation? Either they are more prone to violence or there is institutional racism. Which explanation do you give? And please be specific.</div>
<div><br></div><div>2/ Some of the culprits were found guilty. So you're not even telling the whole story.</div><div><br></div><div>If you want the Trayvon Martin stuff to go away than just shut up for a week or two and stop posting crap like this. Have some respect and let folks vent.</div>
<div><br>On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Wayne Price <<a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
And where is all the "national attention" for Pat Mahaney? Where is the outrage? Where are the marches and rallies? When does the President of "ALL THE PEOPLE" say he could have been Pat Mahaney? Were is the Department of Justice probe? </p>
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<span style="letter-spacing:0px">An autopsy has been completed on the North College Hill man who died Friday, nearly a year after he was severely beaten in what police said was an unprovoked, vicious attack by six teen boys.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">The cause of death for Pat Mahaney, 46, will not be released until all test results, including toxicology, are back, a process expected to take at least several weeks, said a spokesman for the Hamilton County Coroner’s Office.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters asked for the autopsy Friday after Mahaney died at University of Cincinnati Medical Center.</span>Mahaney’s family said he became sick with a sudden illness Wednesday.</p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">“This whole incident has been a tragic event for the Mahaney family,” North College Hill Police Chief Gary Foust said today. “The North College Hill Police Department is in consultation with the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office pending the results of the autopsy.”</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">Mahaney was so traumatized over the attack, he neglected his own health, became a recluse, his family said. He even refused to talk to probation officers seeking his input as they prepared sentencing recommendations on two of the six teens for Hamilton County Juvenile Court Judge Tracie Hunter.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">When the two boys, both 14, were sentenced last month to probation, work details and community service, Mahaney also declined to appear in the courtroom to face them and tell them how the beating impacted his life.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">He only gave one media interview, to The Enquirer, last summer, the day after he was released from the hospital. He refused all other requests then and ever since.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">His family said over the weekend the August 2012 beating “took him over the edge” and he wouldn’t even leave his house to go to the doctor.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">Three other teens also have pleaded guilty to felonious assault and face sentencing. Their cases have been delayed. The boys’ lawyers have asked Hunter to close the proceedings to the public or, at the very least, restrict parts related to the teens' psychological evaluations. They also asked her to bar reporters from the hearing.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">Hunter said she would review psychological reports on two of the teens, both 13, privately chambers and then make her decision later this month.</span>She also wants an expert to weigh in on whether media coverage of the case is mentally damaging the teens.</p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">A sixth teen is fighting the charges and is expected to go to trial at some point. </span>Now, attorneys representing all the teens are wondering how Mahaney’s death might affect their clients’ cases.</p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">I</span>f Hamilton County Coroner Dr. Lakshmi Kode Sammarco rules Mahaney’s death to be related to the beating, that could affect criminal prosecutions of the accused attackers.</p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">The case has been controversial since the start. The attack drew national attention because of its severity and because the six boys told police that they ambushed Mahaney from behind merely because they were “bored.” </span>Outrage spawned protests and counter-protests.</p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">According to a police report, the boys - who were all 13 at the time - jumped Mahaney from behind as he walked home from a convenience store after buying a six-pack of beer at 8:40 p.m. Aug. 11, 2012.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">They punched him in the back of the head, causing him to fall to the ground in the 2000 block of Dallas Avenue- just down the street from his mother’s house, where he was living.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">Mahaney stayed on the ground and said he was knocked unconscious almost immediately.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">The teens repeatedly punched and kicked him in the face and head. One of the teens also hurled an unopened can of beer at Mahaney’s head.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">The boys told police they only stopped beating Mahaney when a neighbor started to yell at them and threatened to call the police.</span></p>
<p style="font:12px/normal Arial;margin:0px 0px 25px;color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><span style="letter-spacing:0px">When officers caught up with the boys and asked them why they attacked the unemployed factory worker, “they stated that they were just bored and were looking for something to do,” a police report states.</span></p>
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