[Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?

Mon Jul 15 12:58:52 PDT 2013

The bottom-line, with thanks to George Zimmerman, and the absence of any evidence supporting his story(ies), in Florida you can legally shoot and kill unarmed teenagers as long as you stand your ground and leave no living witnesses.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still 
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Jul 15, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> You can believe what you want, I suppose.  I would have been on edge if some "creepy-ass cracker" was following me, too.  I wouldn't, however, have jumped him as Zimmerman alleges.  They were 70 yards from the place Martin was staying.  If Zimmerman had planned to jump Martin, he would likely not have called the police.  He didn't get into any altercations with the other suspects he had called the police about in the past.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
> 
> Imagine how Trayvon Martin felt when, as he was walkin home from 7-11, he is followed by an adult unknown to Trayvon Martin.
> 
> Zimmerman's initial mindset was NOT warm and fuzzy (remember his "fucking punks always get away" comment to the 911 operator prior to following Martin).  As such, I feel that Martin coukd not have avoided the confrontation.  Zimmerman set out to confront Martin.
> 
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> According to Zimmerman's story, which is the only story we have to go on, they were fighting for his gun after Martin had noticed it while he was beating his head into the ground and punching him in the face.  This is a good reason to shoot someone in self-defense, in my opinion.  Notice that Zimmerman didn't bring the weapon into play until Martin was trying to grab it.
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>> Both Zimmerman and Martin had the opportunity to avoid this confrontation.  Zimmerman could have not followed him and Martin could have not decided to beat him up.
>> 
>> Also, I see no reason to believe that if Martin had been what Zimmerman would have thought of as a white version of a "punk" that Zimmerman wouldn't have acted the same way.  We'll probably never know if that's true, though.
>> 
>> Paul
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>> 
>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>> 
>> Trayvon Martin was portrayed, by the defense, to be a very healthy, very strong young man.  In Zimmerman's own words, during a police interview, he stated that his head was "slammed" to the concrete sidewalk several times.  Yet, he was not taken to the hospital EVER for evaluation.
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>> Just before Zimmerman decided to follow and confront Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman stated to the 911 operator, “‘Fucking punks. Those assholes, they always get away."
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>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/24/george-zimmerman-trial-day-one-f-king-punks.html
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>> Question:  What was it about Trayvon Martin (armed with nothing more than a fruit drink and Skittles) that made Zimmerman think of Martin as a "fucking punk" and "asshole", in spite of the fact that Martin lives in the very neighborhood in which he was shot and killed?
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>> Your response, Mr. Rumelhart?
>> 
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Keely,
>>> 
>>> Did you look at the evidence?  I don't see how the jury could have done any differently.  Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for help).  According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.  Since Martin isn't around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.  In my opinion, of course.  To prove second degree murder, they would have to disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go kill Martin.  I haven't seen any evidence of that, either.
>>> 
>>> The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.  If anything, Martin was the one framing everything by race.  NBC had to resort to editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard of it).  
>>> 
>>> If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite racial tensions.  Or protest what the NSA has been doing.  Or protest the drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering information on everyone that can't be revealed.  Or protest how the US is going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.  
>>> 
>>> Don't be distracted by this media circus.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
>>> To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>>> 
>>> Visionaires, 
>>> 
>>> I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict.  If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square.  Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around.  I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
>>> 
>>> This saddens and angers me beyond measure.  We have to speak out.
>>> 
>>> Love,
>>> Keely
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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