[Vision2020] Happy gun violence day!
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 19 19:21:38 PST 2013
Let's see.
1. When the Constitution was written, we'd just finished a war in which
we rebelled against those in authority and claimed our independence as a
nation for ourselves.
2. Shortly after that, we wrote our own Constitution, which describes
the ways in which government is limited. No more royal decrees for us.
3. When adding the Bill of Rights, the restriction against infringing
on our right to bear arms was added as the second such amendment, right
after freedom of speech.
4. One assumes from this that the right to bear arms was indeed
important to our forefathers. And not because they wanted us to hunt.
Given all that, I think it's reasonable to assume that the right in
question shouldn't be infringed upon on a whim. Events like Newtown are
rare, and each one gets splashed across the news for a month or more
because it's very dramatic. I don't like seeing children die either,
but reducing magazine sizes to 10 rounds and removing scary-looking
rifles while leaving just-as-functional rifles alone isn't going to stop
the next spree shooting, even if it actually makes it's way into law.
Klebold was on this tenth 10-round magazine when he killed himself.
This guy that did Newtown would have had just as easy access to his
mothers AR-15, since there is no way in hell they will pass something
that will make people have to turn them in. An ineffective law passed
only because people are riled up about kids getting shot isn't worth
weakening the 2nd amendment, in my opinion.
I can get behind better background checks, well thought-out restrictions
on people suspected of being mentally ill (that's a whole other can of
worms when we are talking about people's rights, but we should start the
conversation), better data collection, and incentives to keep weapons
secured and safe. Banning assault weapons, though, is a farce. It's a
political ploy that's using people's fear and anger to pass something
that makes it look like they are doing something that will help.
I'm not a member of the NRA, and I think they go way overboard
sometimes. Still, I haven't seen them or anyone else trying to claim
that gun ownership should be unrestricted. We already have gun
registration, background checks, cooling off periods, and restrictions
against actual assault weapons (i.e. fully automatic weapons).
Paul
On 01/19/2013 02:01 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> How is the second amendment under threat?
>
> The NRA interpretation of the 2nd amendment is absurd. It is in fact
> so absurd that neither you nor anyone else would try to defend it in a
> public setting. Which is why this post will be followed by silence
> from you and others.
>
> The idea that the right to own guns is UNRESTRICTED is absurd. NO
> rights are unrestricted. If speech can be restricted, then so can the
> sale and purchase of guns. And speech is and can be restricted.
>
> If the NRA position has something to do with RIGHTS, then you should
> be able to name another right that is similarly unrestricted. But you
> can't. The NRA position has nothing to do with rights. It has to do
> with gun sales.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
> The nerve of those people! Having a rally in support of one of
> the amendments to the Constitution! How despicable! How un-American!
>
> Paul
>
> On 01/19/2013 09:32 AM, rhayes at frontier.com
> <mailto:rhayes at frontier.com> wrote:
>> Happy Gun Violence day today everyone! Hope you have a bang!
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Saturday is "National Gun Appreciation Day" (Ron Force)
>> 2. Re: Saturday is "National Gun Appreciation Day" (Tom Hansen)
>> 3. Caturday (January 19, 2013) (Tom Hansen)
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>> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:40:44 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com <mailto:rforce2003 at yahoo.com>>
>> To: Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com
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>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>>
>> To: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com <mailto:rforce2003 at yahoo.com>>
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>> Gun Rally Planned This Weekend in Coeur d'Alene
>> http://tinyurl.com/agnm5kj
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>> COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (AP) - Gun advocates in northern Idaho are
>> planning a rally and encouraging participants to openly carry
>> weapons as allowed by Idaho law.
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>> The Coeur d'Alene Press reports (http://bit.ly/WdqSJr) that the
>> Second Amendment rally and gun appreciation event is planned for
>> 1 p.m. Saturday at Black Sheep Sporting Goods in Coeur d'Alene.
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>> Organizers say guest speakers include state lawmakers.
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>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
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>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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>> - John Lennon
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>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:rforce2003 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>> > Ron Force
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>> Subject: [Vision2020] Caturday (January 19, 2013)
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>> Courtesy of Mail Online (London, England) at:
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>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263604/Tiny-obese-kitty-loses-HALF-body-weight-finds-new-home.html?printingPage=true
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>> Now that's something to purr about! Tiny the (very) fat cat loses
>> HALF his body weight and finds a new home
>>
>> Tiny started out at 30.2lbs - about three times the size of
>> average cat
>> He was put on strict calorie-controlled diet
>> Lost half his body weight, now clocking in at 16lbs
>> Adopted by foster parent Nancy Garon
>> Tiny the formerly obese cat has a lot to purr about these days.
>>
>> Not only has he lost half his body weight, the orphaned feline
>> has found a new home.
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>> The pudgy pet was dumped outside the Fredericton SPCA in New
>> Brunswick, Canada, just over a year ago weighing a whopping 30lbs.
>>
>> But, after sticking to a strict diet, the ironically-named feline
>> is now fit and healthy and has been officially adopted by foster
>> parent, Nancy Garon.
>>
>>
>> Garon even threw an adoption party for Tiny on Saturday, dressing
>> the noticeably more slender cat in a sparkly bow tie.
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>> 'It was a nice way to celebrate all the work, dedication and time
>> that went into Tiny,' LeeAnn Haggerty, the director of education
>> at the shelter.
>>
>> 'She's really bonded with him and it's nice for everyone to know
>> that he'll be doing well in Nancy's care.'
>>
>> The animal has a penchant or bow ties, which are made by some of
>> the many volunteers who have tracked his weight loss progress on
>> Facebook.
>>
>>
>> Donations and sales of Tiny's Ties have already raised $10,000
>> for the Fredericton SPCA, Today reported.
>>
>> Tiny now ways 16 pounds and the weight loss has transformed his life.
>>
>> 'As soon as he lost the first six pounds you could start to see
>> the changes,' Haggerty said.
>>
>> To not be able to groom yourself must've been pretty frustrating.
>> When he walked, he used to take a few steps, but now he runs all
>> over the place. He is a very playful cat.'
>>
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>> In August, the cat had lost more than 10 pounds, weighing in at
>> 19.1lbs. Haggerty said back then that it had taken a lot of hard
>> work to bring Tiny's weight down to that point.
>>
>> 'When he came to the shelter, we knew this weight was a medical
>> emergency, really that obesity in pets can be fatal; his weight
>> was quite a concern,' she told CBS News.
>>
>> Tiny, who at that point was about three times the size of an
>> average house cat, was taken to Dr Nicole Jewett at Valley
>> Veterinary Hospital, who created a special calorie-controlled
>> weight-loss plan for him at a foster home.
>>
>>
>> The drastic weight loss has been accompanied by a significant
>> improvement in Tiny?s appearance and well-being, according to his
>> veterinarian.
>>
>> When the pet first arrived at the center, his coat and eyes were
>> dull, and he could only make a few steps at a time before he
>> would have to lie down.
>>
>> Thanks to his new svelte physique, however, Tiny has become more
>> playful and active.
>>
>> 'He runs, he plays ? it's amazing,' Haggerty said.
>>
>>
>> Another fringe benefit that came as a result of Tiny's impressive
>> slim-down is popularity.
>>
>> Fans send in fabric to the SPCA, which they use to make the
>> signature Tiny ties and sell them on the site Etsy.com to raise
>> medical funds for animals.
>>
>> According to Haggerty, about 40-60 per cent of North American
>> pets are overweight, and in cats, it can lead to diabetes,
>> arthritis, organ issues and even death.
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> Fat cat: When Tiny arrived at the Fredericton SPCA, he weighed in
>> at 30.2lbs, or about three times the size of an average house cat
>>
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>> --------------------
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>> New life: Tiny, pictured, the formerly obese cat has found a new
>> home after losing half his body weight
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------
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>> Festive feline: Tiny, pictured, over the holidays is far more
>> active now he's dropped the weight
>>
>>
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>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.moscowcares.com/
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>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
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