[Vision2020] hate group

Mon Jan 14 10:09:48 PST 2013

Agreed. Not a hate group per se. And I am certain that this sort of cloister would only attract the finest racially/culturally tolerant folks.

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:50:12 -0800
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Darrell,

I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last month; I think it was Tom.

Sunil

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
From: keim153 at gmail.com
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com

I am the original poster of this topic.  I never called it a hate group.  I called them survivalists.  I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a hate tagline.  What say you, Roger?
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm with Roger on this. Maybe they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group. 

What is the evidence behind that claim?

Sunil

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100

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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group

I do not know anything about this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group?  A little bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger

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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
From: "Tom Hansen" 

To: "Darrell Keim" 
Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16

How's this for "freedom""

My father was a POW in Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2.  I am convinced that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents of the Citadel.

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares"
http://www.moscowcares.com/

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still  
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill." 

- John Lennon

On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

Goodie.  So it will be like Bo Gritz "Almost Heaven" near Kamiah.  Wonderful.

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com <rhayes at frontier.com> wrote:

The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed this "group" as a couple of guys with a computer who are trying to drum up a following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:19:39 -0800
From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>

To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in

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Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.

They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas Jefferson's
"Rightful Liberty."

http://iiicitadel.com/location.html

Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:25:51 -0800
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>

To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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Ya mean this one?

http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares"
http://www.moscowcares.com/

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still

But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> 
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."

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> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
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> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>

To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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>From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire

county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas

> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>
> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
>
> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:42:11 -0800
From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>

To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
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Yep-That's the one!  Always good to have our little slice of heaven in the
national media, right?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Ya mean this one?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"

> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill

> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>

> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>
> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html

>
> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:46:58 -0800
From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>

To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
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Agreed.  And they'll start with a firearms factory.

Have you read their Patriot Agreement?  They sure do think weapons
proficiency is patriotic!

Whole thing reads wacky to me.  Makes me want to laugh, ala The Colbert
Report Tom linked.  But, so did the Aryan Nations before they actually went
ahead and set-up a compound...

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
> will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
> county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing

> double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
>> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
>> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.

>>
>> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
>> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>>
>> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html

>>
>> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
>>
>>
>> =======================================================
>>  List services made available by First Step Internet,

>>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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