[Vision2020] Another hate group

Darrell Keim keim153 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 13 21:28:26 PST 2013


I am the original poster of this topic.  I never called it a hate group.  I
called them survivalists.  I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a
hate tagline.  What say you, Roger?
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I'm with Roger on this. Maybe they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know
> that they're a hate group.
>
> What is the evidence behind that claim?
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100
> To: thansen at moscow.com; keim153 at gmail.com
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>
> I do not know anything about this group, but how does anyone know that
> they are a hate group?
> A little bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
> From: "Tom Hansen"
> To: "Darrell Keim"
> Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16
>
> How's this for "freedom""
>
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>
> My father was a POW in Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of
> WW2.  I am convinced that he experienced less isolation than the
> freedom-loving residents of the Citadel.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
>  Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>  - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Goodie.  So it will be like Bo Gritz "Almost Heaven" near Kamiah.
> Wonderful.
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=rhayes%40frontier.com>
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> > wrote:
>
>
> The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed this "group" as a couple of
> guys with a computer who are trying to drum up a following and bilk those
> who take the bait of cash.
>
>
>
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>   3. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
>       (Joe Campbell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:19:39 -0800
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>     Idaho
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> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas Jefferson's
> "Rightful Liberty."
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> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
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> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:25:51 -0800
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=thansen%40moscow.com>
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> To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>
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> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020%40moscow.com>"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020%40moscow.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>     Idaho
> Message-ID: <046F5134-11B4-4992-907C-37F01163DB22 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=046F5134-11B4-4992-907C-37F01163DB22%40moscow.com>
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> Ya mean this one?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >
> > They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >
> > http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
> >
> > Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >
> > =======================================================
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> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:31:48 -0800
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=philosopher.joe%40gmail.com>
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> To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>
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> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020%40moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>     Idaho
> Message-ID:
>     <CA+fbP8xAkxc6TwE1Cthe0FJk6Uo8Zsefv7Z3sPzDkC2bk48mpA at mail.gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=fbP8xAkxc6TwE1Cthe0FJk6Uo8Zsefv7Z3sPzDkC2bk48mpA%40mail.gmail.com>
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> >From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
> will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
> county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
> double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> > Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top
> of
> > a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >
> > They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> > Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >
> > http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
> >
> > Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >
> >
> > =======================================================
> >  List services made available by First Step Internet,
> >  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >                http://www.fsr.net/
> >          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=Vision2020%40moscow.com>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:42:11 -0800
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>
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> To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=thansen%40moscow.com>
> >
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020%40moscow.com>"
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>     Idaho
> Message-ID:
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> Yep-That's the one!  Always good to have our little slice of heaven in the
> national media, right?
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=thansen%40moscow.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Ya mean this one?
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares"
> > http://www.moscowcares.com/
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> > - John Lennon
> >
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> > Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top
> of
> > a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >
> > They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> > Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >
> > http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
> >
> > Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >
> > =======================================================
> > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >              http://www.fsr.net/
> >          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=Vision2020%40moscow.com><
> Vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=Vision2020%40moscow.com>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:46:58 -0800
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>
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> To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=philosopher.joe%40gmail.com>
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> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020%40moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>     Idaho
> Message-ID:
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> Agreed.  And they'll start with a firearms factory.
>
> Have you read their Patriot Agreement?  They sure do think weapons
> proficiency is patriotic!
>
> Whole thing reads wacky to me.  Makes me want to laugh, ala The Colbert
> Report Tom linked.  But, so did the Aryan Nations before they actually went
> ahead and set-up a compound...
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=philosopher.joe%40gmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> > From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
> > will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
> > county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
> > double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> >> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on
> top of
> >> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >>
> >> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> >> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >>
> >> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
> >>
> >> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >>
> >>
> >> =======================================================
> >>  List services made available by First Step Internet,
> >>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >>                http://www.fsr.net/
> >>          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=Vision2020%40moscow.com>
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