[Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 4 11:45:39 PST 2013 

Anyone with an R after there name in Idaho will get at least 49% of the vote. Your name could be "Charlie Manson", and as long as your had an R after your name, you would win 49%. A person's stance one issues doesn't mean anything thing, especially a Republicans that could not even get 50% in Idaho in a general election with Obama on the ticket.
 
Donovan J. Arnold

From: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> 
Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .


Yep.

This is how the lineup went for 2012


Sidebar:  Cindy Agidius beat Paulette Jordan by a mere 110 votes.  Hopefully Ms. Jordan will run again.


Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares"
http://www.moscowcares.com/
  
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


On Jan 3, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:


Bouma beat Barrett Schroeder in the 2012 GOP primary after beating GarySchroeder in the 2012 GOP primary. I think I've got that right. Say what you want about the Schroeders, but they've got political clout. But Bouma beat both of them and gained 49% of the vote in the last election. Hard to say he has NO political clout. And all these guys had an "R" next to their names, too.
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>But you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not making an appeal to authority: Bouma says something, so we've got to listen to it. My point is that he holds some wild views and he got 49% of the popular vote running against a sitting state Senator. That says something, though I'm not sure what.
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>On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Does Bouma have political clout?  How hard is it to consistently vote the party line.  And how hard is it to get elected in Idaho when you have an (R) next to your name?
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>>Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:18:23 -0800
>>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>To: thansen at moscow.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .
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>>And you think I'm paranoid.
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>>Paul
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>>From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> 
>>Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .
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>>Something tells me we haven't seen the end of Gresham Bouma.
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>>Hence, I started my Gresham Bouma scrapbook (complete with videos, sound-bites, photos, etc.) a couple years ago, which I will be more than glad to share publicly when he runs for office again and again and again and . . .
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>>Just to let you know that my scrapbook collection is not restricted to Gresham Bouma, I have several others going back several years, many of them right here locally.  Remember Peg Hamlett? JoAnn Mack?  John Weber?  
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>>Call it a hobby.
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>>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>>"Moscow Cares"
>>http://www.moscowcares.com/
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>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>I meant, we all should care what he thinks because he apparently has some political clout. Someone reminded me he only lost the last election by a two point margin.
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>>>On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>Winning A Republican Primary in Idaho is not necessarily a sign of intelligence, knowledge, honesty, compassion, and/or mental health.
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>>>>w.
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>>>>On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>He won the last two Republican primaries. 
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>>>>>On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>Why do we care what Bouma thinks? I don't like Obamacare either. It is simply a tax on people that cannot afford to give money to fraud artists called insurance companies. 
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>>>>>>Donovan J. Arnold
>>>>>>From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> 
>>>>>>Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:36 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .
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>>>>>>What is the deal with the alleged connection between Obamacare and (supposed) "corporate welfare to big pharma," as you say Scott? That is clearly what he's getting at. I confess ignorance on this matter -- meaning, I have no idea whether there is a link between the two or not. Is there a link? Does anyone know if the comment has any basis? Of course, big pharma has been consistently helped by big government but that was true before Obama and as far as I can tell both Dems and Repubs have been guilty of this sin. Is there something in Obamacare that I've missed suggesting that the situation is likely to get worse? Joe
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>>>>>>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>It's interesting that Bouma chooses to list his biases for his 'ideas' on preventing massacres.  Vouchers = parents are allowed to send their kids to schools with better security (and as an added bonus Bouma essentially lists that the vouchers target teacher's unions).  And now, he pretty much writes that preventing kids from being medicated will prevent shootings (and as an added bonus, Obamacare is stopped and that thus corporate welfare to big pharma would be curtailed).  This is pretty much the worst spin I've ever seen put on anything.  If he continues in this vein, I'm guessing that his next move will be '[insert any conservative cause] will prevent school shootings because [insert any random bullshit] and as an added bonus [insert underlying Biblical or financial justification]'.
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>>>>>>>From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:41:58 -0800
>>>>>>>To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com 
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>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .
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>>>>>>>It should also be noted that those shooters, identified in the article linked by Bouma's comment, wore under garments (so it has been reported by a source best left un identified).  Could the donning of undergarments have been a contributing factor in the commission of these heinous murders?
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>>>>>>>If so, Moscow, you can feel safe with me.  I haven't worn underwear since 1968. 
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>>>>>>>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>>>>>>>"Moscow Cares"
>>>>>>>http://www.moscowcares.com/
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>>>>>>On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>The article that Bouma refers to and his use of it provide nice examples of fallacious reasoning. In the article, there is a list of school shooters and then the claim that all of them (not all school shooters but everyone on the list) happened to be prescribed some kind of medication, though in some instances the medication is listed merely as "Med for Depression." Then the claim that the medications are responsible and so we should reject Obama-care!
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>>>>>>>>One fallacy is the confusion of correlation and causation. All the shooters drank water as well but that doesn't mean that drinking water was the cause of the shootings. One needs to establish at least "4 cells" of information in order to make a case for a causal relation: How many took the meds and became shooters? How many didn't take the meds and became shooters? How many took the meds and didn't become shooters? How many didn't take the meds and didn't become shooters? Correlation fallacies focus on just one bit of this information, In this case, we don't really even get the first cell of info since we don't know that the shooters took the meds, just that they were prescribed medication (not sure how we could know this latter point either, by the way) -- and a variety of meds to boot, some unknown or listed just as "Med for Depression."
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>>>>>>>>Today's logic lesson was brought to you by Starbucks coffee!
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>>>>>>>>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Does this message from Bouma auger a merging of Freeze Church ans Christ Church?
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>>>>>>>>>w.
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>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>https://chumly.com/n/19166c9
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>>>>>>>>>>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>>>>>>>>>>"Moscow Cares"
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.moscowcares.com/  
>>>>>>>>>>Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>Moscow, Idaho
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