[Vision2020] [link added] We, Intoleristas . . .

[Paul Rumelhart]

How does a gun CAUSE a shooting?  The only way I can see a gun being at 
fault for a shooting is if it fires accidentally.  It was certainly a 
factor in the shooting, hard to have a shooting without one, but it 
didn't cause it.  It requires a human being to choose to pick up a gun 
and do something with it.

Paul

On 01/01/2013 02:14 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> How could you possibly claim that a GUN was NOT at least one of the 
> causal factors in a SHOOTING? I don't want to insult you but ...
>
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 12/31/2012 10:20 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>>>  Although, I could easily use Paul – with respect to the Newtown 
>>> murders, he recently made a comment about shooters, Columbine, and 
>>> bullying that was factually wrong, too J
>>
>> Was the Columbine shooting not related to bullying?  I'm no expert 
>> historian on this subject or anything, but that was what I remembered 
>> from when we were trudging through the aftermath of that event.
>>
>> My point, if I recall correctly, was that we should be focusing on 
>> the causes of these spree shootings, instead of trying to make them 
>> go away by taking away one set of guns. So if the causes of Columbine 
>> did not involve bullying, then we should be focusing on what those 
>> causes actually were. That's a more direct and probably more 
>> cost-effective solution, imho.
>>
>> You see, that's the thing.  I go into these things expecting to have 
>> a conversation.  Someone says something, others provide more 
>> information, ideas get bandied about, I learn something, I find I'm 
>> wrong in some areas, right in others, everyone walks away with a 
>> better idea of what's going on. Instead, I'm supposed to be a member 
>> of a college debate team or something.  And people are keeping score 
>> and I don't even know what rules they are using.
>>
>> Paul
>>

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