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How does a gun CAUSE a shooting? The only way I can see a gun
being at fault for a shooting is if it fires accidentally. It was
certainly a factor in the shooting, hard to have a shooting
without one, but it didn't cause it. It requires a human being to
choose to pick up a gun and do something with it.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 01/01/2013 02:14 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
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of the causal factors in a SHOOTING? I don't want to insult you
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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I could easily use Paul – with respect to the Newtown
murders, he recently made a comment about shooters,
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Was the Columbine shooting not related to bullying? I'm no
expert historian on this subject or anything, but that was
what I remembered from when we were trudging through the
aftermath of that event.<br>
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My point, if I recall correctly, was that we should be
focusing on the causes of these spree shootings, instead of
trying to make them go away by taking away one set of guns.
So if the causes of Columbine did not involve bullying, then
we should be focusing on what those causes actually were.
That's a more direct and probably more cost-effective
solution, imho.<br>
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You see, that's the thing. I go into these things expecting
to have a conversation. Someone says something, others
provide more information, ideas get bandied about, I learn
something, I find I'm wrong in some areas, right in others,
everyone walks away with a better idea of what's going on.
Instead, I'm supposed to be a member of a college debate team
or something. And people are keeping score and I don't even
know what rules they are using.<br>
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Paul<br>
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