[Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 25 19:49:27 PDT 2013


Christ on a crutch, sorry if I offended everyone by my use of the word 
"fuck".

But since everyone's sensibilities are fragile around here, let me 
reword my last statement to say "In a perfect world, he would be able to 
do as he fancies, the good God be willing."

Also, you can't throw a cat around here without hitting another list 
member trying to psychoanalyze me.  The phrase "whatever the fuck he 
wants" is a common phrase used when describing what it is a Free Man 
(tm) can do.

The entire genesis of this thread lets us know right of the bat that we 
don't live in that perfect world.

Paul

On 08/25/2013 06:18 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote:
>
> Well, Paul, no one on earth likes strong Anglo Saxon words more than I 
> do -- but in your case, the undisguised rage in your last sentence 
> seems to indicate an anger management issue that might is way out of 
> proportion to the subject at hand and the general tone of the 
> conversation.  Take a deep breath and a walk around the block.  It's 
> summertime and the living is easy . . . . or something like that.
>
> Rose Huskey
>
> *From:*vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:37 PM
> *To:* Scott Dredge
> *Cc:* viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
>
> Bullshit.  He was buying a home defense weapon.  If there were death 
> threats against me and mine, I would do the same.  Besides, he was 
> found not guilty.  In a perfect world, he could whatever the fuck he 
> wanted.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/25/2013 02:53 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
>     Based on photographic evidence, audio evidence, the measurable
>     timeline, GZ's medical report, TM's autopsy report combined with
>     corroborating witness testimony, it's difficult to draw any
>     conclusion other than TM being on top of GZ and hitting him for at
>     least 45 seconds prior to the fatal and only shot.  GZ shouldn't
>     have followed TM and should have stayed in his truck.  TM
>     shouldn't have attacked him.  But TM did what he did and GZ did
>     what he did, so here we are.
>
>     This whole thing has already spun as a 'perfect storm'. And if GZ
>     is going to do things like tour a Kel Tec factory, pose for photo
>     ops, and let it be known he's interested in acquiring more fire
>     power, he's putting himself, his family, and anyone around him in
>     danger.  His actions are tantamount to 'bring it on' taunting. 
>     Don't be surprised if someone takes the bait resulting in more
>     tragedy.  Don't be surprised if GZ blasts someone innocent that he
>     mistakenly believes was coming after him.  Don't be surprised when
>     there is another dead body and GZ claims 'self defense'.
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>     To: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>;
>     philosopher.joe at gmail.com <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>     Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:11:03 -0700
>     CC: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
>     He wasn't 'going out to call the police on criminal activity.' He
>     could have called them from his home and stayed there. Why do you
>     even saying that?
>
>     He was out and about because he wanted to play the cop, and he had
>     a gun. He could have stayed home with his gun, like he was told to
>     do.
>
>     You keep assuming his defense theory is true. It was effective, it
>     led to the verdict, but that doesn't make it true.
>
>     Sunil
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:55:13 -0700
>     From: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
>     To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>     CC: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
>     Do you think that neighborhood watch programs are a bad thing?  If
>     you can posit for a moment that guns can come in handy for
>     self-defense, then going out to call the police on criminal
>     activity might be a time when you have a better chance of needing
>     to protect yourself than when you are, say, just going to get
>     groceries.
>
>     If you think it wasn't self-defense, then why was Zimmerman doing
>     his best to lead the cops to the encounter?  Why were there no
>     injuries on Martin consistent with an initial attack by
>     Zimmerman?  Do you think he shot him first?  Then why did
>     witnesses see them on the ground fighting?  To me, it just doesn't
>     add up.
>
>     Paul
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:*Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>     *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
>     *Cc:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>     <mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:26 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
>     "... he thought he was going to die and defended himself." First,
>     the only evidence you have for this is that Zimmerman said it was
>     so. There were no witnesses to corroborate this. We don't know
>     what happened. My interpretation of the results of the trial is
>     that there was no reason to disbelieve Zimmerman, so no reason to
>     find him guilty. That does not mean that we should believe him.
>     There is no reason to believe him either. The fact is we don't
>     know what happened in those moments prior to the shooting.
>
>     Second, Zimmerman was out looking for "criminals" like some
>     want-a-be cop, stalked a suspected criminal who turned out to be a
>     boy, called to report it and was advised to stop but didn't do so,
>     got out of his car to follow the "suspect," then (supposedly) shot
>     the boy because he feared for his life.
>
>     I'm sorry but if you are not a cop and you leave your house with a
>     gun pretending to "protect" your neighborhood, my sympathy level
>     will drop dramatically should something go wrong.
>
>     Zimmerman's actions do not sound like self-defense to me. I am not
>     warped by the mainstream media. In fact, I think this is just
>     another example of how fear and guns together are more likely to
>     lead to a bad outcome than a good one. Incidents like this are
>     precisely why we need gun control. Some people are just not smart
>     enough to know how to use guns with the required safety and care.
>     The Zimmerman case proves that.
>
>     And saying that folks are dupes just because they happen to share
>     some of the views of the mainstream media is no different from
>     saying that you are a racist just because you happen to share some
>     of the views of racists.
>
>     On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Rumelhart
>     <godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     I'm not supporting Zimmerman.  I'm just dismayed by the attitudes
>     people have towards him based on nothing but wishful thinking, as
>     far as I can see.  These attitudes are shared across the country,
>     and is making life for this man dangerous.  All because he thought
>     he was going to die and defended himself. His bad luck that he did
>     so at a time when guns are the new boogieman, and that his
>     attacker didn't have the common sense to be a white male.
>
>     It's really how quickly and absolutely this narrative I keep
>     talking about solidified that scares the ever-living crap out of
>     me.  It means the main stream media is still king, and that your
>     average American still just soaks it right up apparently uncritically.
>
>     Oh, and I don't plan to shut up, thank you anyway.
>
>     Paul
>
>
>
>     On 08/25/2013 08:39 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
>         Of course I don't condone the bounty, or death threats. It is
>         still a mystery to me why you keep condoning Zimmerman. If you
>         want folks to stop talking about him, why don't you start us
>         off? Really, I only post on that guy when you or others try to
>         defend him, or act shocked about the public outrage.
>         Otherwise, I don't really think about him much.
>
>         On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Paul Rumelhart
>         <godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         You're right.  He should look properly chastened at all times
>         so as not to offend people like yourself. I bet he was
>         laughing at a joke!  The bastard.
>
>         I will admit that if he was thinking in terms of PR, then
>         staging a photoshoot at a gun store was not the brightest
>         move.  I suspect, though, that he can't move three feet in
>         public without some self-righteous a-hole tracking his every
>         move and taking his picture.  It won't last long, though.
>         They'll get him in civil court soon where the threshold for
>         evidence is not so high.
>
>         While we're on the subject, does anyone out there in viz-land
>         condone the bounty put on him by the New Black Panther Party?
>         Does anyone condemn it?  How about the multiple death threats
>         he and his family have been getting?  I normally wouldn't ask
>         this, but the reactions here to this case have so disappointed
>         me that I just have to.
>
>         Paul
>
>
>
>         On 08/24/2013 10:16 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
>             I think it's STUPID of Zimmerman to be cheesing it up for
>             photos while touring a gun factory.  I was seeing shades
>             that idiot president of CA fish and game who bagged a
>             mountain lion in Idaho and went on the cover of some
>             magazine beaming while holding the dead carcass.
>
>             FWIW - I disagree that Zimmerman was hunting Martin, but
>             nonetheless he did fatally shoot him and this type of
>             behavior is quite the opposite of being remorseful.  But
>             hey, if he wants to stay around Florida and make himself
>             visible while there's a bounty on his head, that's
>             certainly his choice and likely another bad choice in a
>             growing list.
>
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>
>             CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>             <mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com
>             <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>             From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>             <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>             Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>             Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:30:05 -0700
>             To: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
>
>             I said it was closer to hunting than self defense. It was.
>             And Martin was a kid; Zimmerman was not. And Martin is
>             dead. Maybe that is why no one is blaming him.
>
>             Did Martin make a mistake? Apparently -- but really we
>             don't know that any more than we know why Zimmerman did
>             what he did. But Martin paid a hefty price for his
>             mistake. Zimmerman did not. That's why folks are upset.
>
>
>             On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart
>             <godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
>                 That's the narrative I'm talking about.  It completely
>                 ignores Trayvon Martin's own actions that helped lead
>                 to his death and it exaggerates George Zimmerman's
>                 actions. Following someone down a sidewalk is not the
>                 same as "hunting" a person.  We have exactly zero
>                 evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin in order to
>                 kill him.
>
>                 But have fun with the narrative.  If you happen across
>                 Zimmerman, get in a few licks for the rest of us.
>
>                 Paul
>
>                 On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
>                     Goes against the narrative? The guy stalked a kid,
>                     against the advice of a 911 operator, and ended up
>                     killing him.
>
>                     Honestly, I just don't get it. Stalking and
>                     shooting is a lot closer to hunting than
>                     self-defense. Why is that so difficult for you to see?
>
>
>                     On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart
>                     <godshatter at yahoo.com
>                     <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
>                         Well, he and his family do get death threats
>                         regularly:
>                         http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/
>
>                         And there is a $10,000 bounty put on Zimmerman
>                         for his capture by the New Black Panther
>                         Party:
>                         http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/
>
>                         So maybe he is in need of a good home-defense
>                         weapon.
>
>                         Of course, progressives are not allowed to
>                         feel bad about that because it goes against
>                         the narrative. Pity, one could almost feel bad
>                         for a guy who is reviled on the national stage
>                         for protecting himself from getting his ass
>                         beat, whether or not it was his own stupidity
>                         that got him there.
>
>                         Oh, well. It's much easier to think of him as
>                         a monster.
>
>                         Paul
>
>                         On 08/24/2013 03:29 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
>                             http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-went-gun-shopping-today/
>
>
>
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