[Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 25 15:36:39 PDT 2013
Bullshit. He was buying a home defense weapon. If there were death
threats against me and mine, I would do the same. Besides, he was found
not guilty. In a perfect world, he could whatever the fuck he wanted.
Paul
On 08/25/2013 02:53 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> Based on photographic evidence, audio evidence, the measurable
> timeline, GZ's medical report, TM's autopsy report combined with
> corroborating witness testimony, it's difficult to draw any conclusion
> other than TM being on top of GZ and hitting him for at least 45
> seconds prior to the fatal and only shot. GZ shouldn't have followed
> TM and should have stayed in his truck. TM shouldn't have attacked
> him. But TM did what he did and GZ did what he did, so here we are.
>
> This whole thing has already spun as a 'perfect storm'. And if GZ is
> going to do things like tour a Kel Tec factory, pose for photo ops,
> and let it be known he's interested in acquiring more fire power, he's
> putting himself, his family, and anyone around him in danger. His
> actions are tantamount to 'bring it on' taunting. Don't be surprised
> if someone takes the bait resulting in more tragedy. Don't be
> surprised if GZ blasts someone innocent that he mistakenly believes
> was coming after him. Don't be surprised when there is another dead
> body and GZ claims 'self defense'.
>
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> From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:11:03 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
> He wasn't 'going out to call the police on criminal activity.' He
> could have called them from his home and stayed there. Why do you even
> saying that?
>
> He was out and about because he wanted to play the cop, and he had a
> gun. He could have stayed home with his gun, like he was told to do.
>
> You keep assuming his defense theory is true. It was effective, it led
> to the verdict, but that doesn't make it true.
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:55:13 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
> Do you think that neighborhood watch programs are a bad thing? If you
> can posit for a moment that guns can come in handy for self-defense,
> then going out to call the police on criminal activity might be a time
> when you have a better chance of needing to protect yourself than when
> you are, say, just going to get groceries.
>
> If you think it wasn't self-defense, then why was Zimmerman doing his
> best to lead the cops to the encounter? Why were there no injuries on
> Martin consistent with an initial attack by Zimmerman? Do you think
> he shot him first? Then why did witnesses see them on the ground
> fighting? To me, it just doesn't add up.
>
> Paul
>
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> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun factory
>
> "... he thought he was going to die and defended himself." First, the
> only evidence you have for this is that Zimmerman said it was so.
> There were no witnesses to corroborate this. We don't know what
> happened. My interpretation of the results of the trial is that there
> was no reason to disbelieve Zimmerman, so no reason to find him
> guilty. That does not mean that we should believe him. There is no
> reason to believe him either. The fact is we don't know what happened
> in those moments prior to the shooting.
>
> Second, Zimmerman was out looking for "criminals" like some want-a-be
> cop, stalked a suspected criminal who turned out to be a boy, called
> to report it and was advised to stop but didn't do so, got out of his
> car to follow the "suspect," then (supposedly) shot the boy because he
> feared for his life.
>
> I'm sorry but if you are not a cop and you leave your house with a gun
> pretending to "protect" your neighborhood, my sympathy level will drop
> dramatically should something go wrong.
>
> Zimmerman's actions do not sound like self-defense to me. I am not
> warped by the mainstream media. In fact, I think this is just another
> example of how fear and guns together are more likely to lead to a bad
> outcome than a good one. Incidents like this are precisely why we need
> gun control. Some people are just not smart enough to know how to use
> guns with the required safety and care. The Zimmerman case proves that.
>
> And saying that folks are dupes just because they happen to share some
> of the views of the mainstream media is no different from saying that
> you are a racist just because you happen to share some of the views of
> racists.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not supporting Zimmerman. I'm just dismayed by the attitudes
> people have towards him based on nothing but wishful thinking, as
> far as I can see. These attitudes are shared across the country,
> and is making life for this man dangerous. All because he thought
> he was going to die and defended himself. His bad luck that he did
> so at a time when guns are the new boogieman, and that his
> attacker didn't have the common sense to be a white male.
>
> It's really how quickly and absolutely this narrative I keep
> talking about solidified that scares the ever-living crap out of
> me. It means the main stream media is still king, and that your
> average American still just soaks it right up apparently uncritically.
>
> Oh, and I don't plan to shut up, thank you anyway.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 08/25/2013 08:39 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> Of course I don't condone the bounty, or death threats. It is
> still a mystery to me why you keep condoning Zimmerman. If you
> want folks to stop talking about him, why don't you start us
> off? Really, I only post on that guy when you or others try to
> defend him, or act shocked about the public outrage.
> Otherwise, I don't really think about him much.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Paul Rumelhart
> <godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
> You're right. He should look properly chastened at all
> times so as not to offend people like yourself. I bet he
> was laughing at a joke! The bastard.
>
> I will admit that if he was thinking in terms of PR, then
> staging a photoshoot at a gun store was not the brightest
> move. I suspect, though, that he can't move three feet in
> public without some self-righteous a-hole tracking his
> every move and taking his picture. It won't last long,
> though. They'll get him in civil court soon where the
> threshold for evidence is not so high.
>
> While we're on the subject, does anyone out there in
> viz-land condone the bounty put on him by the New Black
> Panther Party? Does anyone condemn it? How about the
> multiple death threats he and his family have been
> getting? I normally wouldn't ask this, but the reactions
> here to this case have so disappointed me that I just have to.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 08/24/2013 10:16 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
> I think it's STUPID of Zimmerman to be cheesing it up
> for photos while touring a gun factory. I was seeing
> shades that idiot president of CA fish and game who
> bagged a mountain lion in Idaho and went on the cover
> of some magazine beaming while holding the dead carcass.
>
> FWIW - I disagree that Zimmerman was hunting Martin,
> but nonetheless he did fatally shoot him and this type
> of behavior is quite the opposite of being remorseful.
> But hey, if he wants to stay around Florida and make
> himself visible while there's a bounty on his head,
> that's certainly his choice and likely another bad
> choice in a growing list.
>
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> <mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com>;
> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Zimmy beams as he tours gun
> factory
> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:30:05 -0700
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
>
> I said it was closer to hunting than self defense. It
> was. And Martin was a kid; Zimmerman was not. And
> Martin is dead. Maybe that is why no one is blaming him.
>
> Did Martin make a mistake? Apparently -- but really we
> don't know that any more than we know why Zimmerman
> did what he did. But Martin paid a hefty price for his
> mistake. Zimmerman did not. That's why folks are upset.
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart
> <godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> That's the narrative I'm talking about. It
> completely ignores Trayvon Martin's own actions
> that helped lead to his death and it exaggerates
> George Zimmerman's actions. Following someone down
> a sidewalk is not the same as "hunting" a person.
> We have exactly zero evidence that Zimmerman
> followed Martin in order to kill him.
>
> But have fun with the narrative. If you happen
> across Zimmerman, get in a few licks for the rest
> of us.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/24/2013 05:44 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> Goes against the narrative? The guy stalked a
> kid, against the advice of a 911 operator, and
> ended up killing him.
>
> Honestly, I just don't get it. Stalking and
> shooting is a lot closer to hunting than
> self-defense. Why is that so difficult for you
> to see?
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart
> <godshatter at yahoo.com
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Well, he and his family do get death
> threats regularly:
> http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/03/robert-zimmerman-reveals-family-400-death-threats-per-minute-starbucks-employee-george-trayvon-martin-details/
>
> And there is a $10,000 bounty put on
> Zimmerman for his capture by the New Black
> Panther Party:
> http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/07/19/Black-Panthers-2012-video-for-Zimmerman-bounty-resurfaces/3711374236844/
>
> So maybe he is in need of a good
> home-defense weapon.
>
> Of course, progressives are not allowed to
> feel bad about that because it goes
> against the narrative. Pity, one could
> almost feel bad for a guy who is reviled
> on the national stage for protecting
> himself from getting his ass beat, whether
> or not it was his own stupidity that got
> him there.
>
> Oh, well. It's much easier to think of him
> as a monster.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/24/2013 03:29 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-went-gun-shopping-today/
>
>
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