[Vision2020] How many more times . . .

Thu Aug 22 11:13:07 PDT 2013

If you can restrict speech, you can restrict gun sales. And you can restrict speech without doing damage to the constitution. Joe

On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I recommend tying us all to our beds 24 hours a day and letting our basic needs be handled by state-run robots.  That should solve the problem. 
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> We should at least look at other alternatives before trying to neuter the Constitution one more time.
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> Paul
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> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
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> You are not a policy wonk, Paul. You are a scientist of sorts. Who cares WHY these nut jobs do what they do. The point is to try to prevent it. You can do that by figuring out "why" perhaps in some billions years. But there might be other ways to prevent disaster without all that research and knowledge.
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> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do you think it was the assault rifle that drove this man to do what he did, and without it he wouldn't have done anything at all?
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> That's a serious question.
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> Paul
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> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
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> Or we could avoid giving them assault rifles, thus preventing "people like this from doing what they are doing".
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> 'Nuff said.
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho 
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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> - John Lennon
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> On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> We could also try to figure out why people like this are doing what they are doing and come up with a solution ASAP.
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>> Besides, why single out assault rifles?  According to this article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/murders-shootings-and-gun-sales-per-day_n_2488664.html), if today was an average day then there were 30 gun-related murders, 162 people wounded by firearms, and 53 suicides involving a firearm.  Most of them involving handguns.  Why do those numbers not instill the same passion that assault rifles do?
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>> Paul
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>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
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>> It's quite simple (and humane), Mr. Rumelhart.
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>> We can either . . .
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>> - Terminate the sale of assault rifles, or
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>> - Continue selling assault rifles and hope nobody gets hurt or killed . . . next time.
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>> Now, Mr. Rumelhart, which of these two options is more proactive and humane than the other?
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>> Sidebar:  I understand that a group has reserved the County Fairgrounds this weekend so they can show-off and let others play with their . . . guns.
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>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
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>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> Where did that come from, Mr. Hansen?
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>>> Paul
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>>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
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>>> Why be proactive and control the sale of assault rifles, when all we really need to do is to bury the bodies of the innocents, right Mr. Rumelhart?
>>> 
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>> 
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>   
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>> 
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>> 
>>> - John Lennon
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> Sounds like a disturbed individual.  I'm glad no one was hurt.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
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>>>> 
>>>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>>> Cc: Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com> 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:17 PM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] How many more times . . .
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>>>> “'I don’t know how this could happen at this school,' Zamora said. 'There’s so much security.'"
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>>>> Courtesy of Time at:
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>>>> http://nation.time.com/2013/08/20/official-suspect-in-custody-at-georgia-school/print/
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>>>> 20-Year-Old Charged in Ga. School Shooting
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>>>> (DECATUR, Ga.) — A man with an assault rifle and other weapons exchanged gunfire with officers Tuesday at an Atlanta-area elementary school before surrendering, a police chief said, with dramatic overhead television footage capturing the young students racing out of the building, being escorted by teachers and police to safety. No one was injured.
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>>>> Just a week into the new school year, more than 800 students in pre-kindergarten to fifth grade were evacuated from Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy in Decatur, a few miles east of Atlanta. They sat outside along a fence in a field for a time until school buses came to take them to their waiting parents and other relatives at a nearby Wal-Mart.
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>>>> When the first bus arrived about three hours after the shooting, cheers erupted in the store parking lot from relieved relatives, several of them sobbing.
>>>> The suspect, identified later as 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill, fired at least a half-dozen shots from the rif
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